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Jewish Donors Outraged by 'Sociopath' Obama, Says Columnist
inn ^ | 5/12/10 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 05/12/2010 9:56:23 AM PDT by Nachum

If senior journalist David Goldman is right, the correct word for describing the way a growing number of US Jews feel about President Barack Obama is not 'anger' but 'rage' – white-hot rage, at that, and a conviction that they have been swindled.

Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and 'Spengler' columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word 'sociopath' to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic 'train wreck' for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


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To: Chickensoup

94 percent live in key electoral college states, however.


121 posted on 05/12/2010 2:15:58 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“You just dismissed criticism of Jews by pointing out that “there are whack jobs in every group” and then you turn around and say that Jewish fear of American Fundamentalist Protestants is “justified?” Physician, heal thyself!”

I didn’t dismiss criticism of Jews - there are Jewish whack jobs too. I consider Jewish liberals to be whack jobs. You don’t think the fear is “justified”? That’s interesting.

“For most of chr*stian history, Fundamentalist Protestantism did not exist (ask any Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox chr*stian; they’ll be happy to explain it to you). For roughly 1700 years every pogrom, every massacre, every outrage perpetrated by chr*stians against Jews was perpetrated by NON-Fundamentalist chr*stians. Again, any EO or RC will happily explain how alienated Protestant Fundamentalism is from true historical chr*stianity.”

I don’t believe I specified a historical time period and all of the videos I linked are from the present or 20th century. How does that mesh with your attempt to slough it off onto the Catholics? I am aware of the Protestant Reformation, but thanks for the insult.

“You’re tired of people who use Jews as scapegoats? Well guess what—I’m sick and tired of people who use a religion that didn’t even exist as a scapegoat for atrocities committed before it even existed.”

Again, I do not believe I referred to any atrocities committed prior to the last 300 years. Do I understand you correctly that you consider Protestant Evangelical Christianity to be a separate (and comparatively new) religion as opposed to Catholicism? I’m sorry, I always understand them both to be Christian.

“Are there anti-Semitic Fundamentalist chr*stians? You bet there are. But they are a miniscule percentage of “whack jobs.” The vast majority of Fundamentalist Protestants have never even heard of Jeff Rense or Tex Marrs (mach shemam!). Are there really Jews out there who sincerely believe that this country is full of people whose reading of Genesis and Joshua has made them into monsters who are just rarin’ to unleash a second Holocaust? That is not only prejudice, it is stupid prejudice.”

Well as Jeff Foxworthy might say, they cannot seem to keep the most ignorant among them off of the television set. I’m sure that you are aware that modern media does not always portray an accurate picture of any group of people. The TEA Party members would be a good example of that distortion. I don’t speak for every Jew. If you think that I spoke out of prejudice - you are wrong. Every single day there are posts about Israel on this forum, and every single day people post about how the Jews put Obama in the WH. I’m addressing those attitudes and trying to explain why so many Jews are afraid of fundamentalist Christians. I find it interesting that you are so defensive about the subject.

“Did you know that I used to be a Fundamentalist chr*stian? Do you honestly think I was attracted to Noachism because I was an ultra-modern sophisticate who disdained the Bible? I’m sorry. Not only to liberals not become Noachides, for the most part neither do non-Fundamentalist chr*stians.”

No, I did not know that you used to be a Fundamentalist Christian - I don’t know you at all. I don’t know about your attraction to anything - I don’t know you.

“The reason the vast majority of American Jews (who are liberal and non-Orthodox) are allergic to American Fundamentalist Protestants is that those Fundamentalist Protestants remind them that their own ancestors were rustic Theocratic warrior-shepherds with names like “Jedidiah,” “Caleb,” and “Jethro.” Liberal Jews like to think that Jewish history consists of nothing but Nobel Physics Prizes and Weimar Republic intellectuals. What modern Jewish liberal isn’t ashamed of Yehoshu`a Bin Nun and Likkud Ha’Aretz? It is for this reason that people like Abe Foxman actually try to make anti-Semites of Fundamentalist chr*stians, so they can tell themselves that their ancestors were as liberal as they themselves are.”

Just wow - I’ll let your attitude speak for itself - and it does so quite clearly.

“I have lived my entire life among Fundamentalist chr*stians. My sister is a Southern Baptist and she has never so much as even tried to convert me (she’s probably less uncomfortable with my being a Noachide than she was with my being Roman Catholic for six years!). The vast majority of American Fundamentalist Protestants are the nicest, most decent, and most pro-Jewish people you could ever hope to meet.”

I do not believe that I ever accused ALL Fundamentalist Christians of doing or saying anything. I don’t have a problem with you or anyone else pursuing whatever spiritual path you choose - as long as your spiritual path doesn’t require murder and mayhem - it is fine with me. I think you read what I wrote in a much harsher tone than I intended.

“And by the way—they’re probably the only segment of the American population that knows about Judaea!”

Take a deep breath - your “righteous indignation” has gotten the best of you. Eyes - see, Ears - hear....


122 posted on 05/12/2010 2:30:02 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Kenton

“Man, you’ve got some serious issues... whew...”

Don’t we all?


123 posted on 05/12/2010 2:31:55 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Gator113; Hildy

Thank you; I think I understand better.

I apologize. Events like this remind me my English is limited. I read the post literally, or at least what I thought was literal.

I am frustrated by knee-jerk liberal Jewish voters, as well.

I do, however, think that the emphasis on Jewish voters is misplaced and rather curious -— it’s 1.7% of the electorate, tops. All the Jews in the USA could have voted for McCain, and Obama would still be president.

I also don’t think the vote is that mysterious -— largely urban or sub-urban voters in the North East. Well, they may have been a tad more liberal than others in such an area, but not a huge amount.

In the raw numbers that get people elected, the focus should be on fence-sitting Roman Catholics and Protestant Christians -— but I personally can’t recall an article about them -— while there are 3 or 4 threads a day about my small and scattered tribe.

I bet the Amish are a bigger factor in PA. Go get them to vote.


124 posted on 05/12/2010 2:32:21 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Exactly right. One of the first things they teach you at a Leadership Institute seminar on elections is this:

Do not mistake the political awareness of yourself and your close associates for the political awareness of the electorate. They actually draw a picture of two brains, with the appropriate quantity of the brain devoted to politics for you compared with that of the rest of humanity. You can picture it.

125 posted on 05/12/2010 2:32:38 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Jewbacca; Nachum
The decisions of the average voter is much easier to understand when you realize 99% of the time the sole source of news is the MSM.

I agree with you. That is one of the biggest problem we face.

We have ceded control of the infrastructure of the battlefield of ideas. Schools, universities, news media, entertainment media, these are where most people get their information, and where arguments get trotted out and made popular or made "beyond the pale". We have been steadily squeezed out of those institutions and, although we have tardily begun to build new ones it isn't enough. Much of what we know isn't known across the spectrum of society, and much of what they know isn't true.

We send our kids to be educated by people who do not believe what we believe and don't teach what needs to be taught for a republic to sustain itself. They are informed by the same people, who are in position to suppress information that doesn't fit and shape information so that it does fit. And they are entertained by the same people who now get to show them what is hip and what is laughably out of date.

Then we wonder, though we need not wonder, why with every passing year we find ourselves further and further outnumbered. Reality still makes converts to our side but not nearly fast enough or thorough enough.

126 posted on 05/12/2010 2:34:20 PM PDT by marron
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To: nolongerademocrat
Don’t we all?

Uhhh... no.

127 posted on 05/12/2010 2:38:06 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: Kenton

Hazard of being a Herzel I guess.


128 posted on 05/12/2010 2:39:30 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: justiceseeker93

I’m sure Jewish Freepers will all take this bet. Zero has urinated on Israel and shown his anti-Semitic bent. He will not get 90% of any group’s vote, much less Jews. Case closed.


129 posted on 05/12/2010 2:48:45 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Why do Jews seem to be afraid of fundamentalist Christians?”

I’m not.

But I’ll jump into this. I think the reason is multi-fold.

1. Ignorance of different kinds of Christians. I have never studied Christianity and my knowledge comes from reading FreeRepublic and reading really angry threads by-and-between Roman Catholic Christians, Protestant Christians, and Mormons, who may, or may not, be Christian. From the outside, it’s pretty ugly.

2. The media portrays evangelical Christains poorly.

3. History. Face it, the Christian church (as a group) has not treated Jewish people well. (Yes, I know Jewish people did not do any better when we had the upper hand. I don’t defend that, either.)

4. Really annoying evangelical Christians who show up at shul and demand that we accept Jesus, generally loudly, or outside, pushing papers into people’s hands.

5. Really sneaky evangelical Christians who show up at shul, dressed as Haredi, speaking great Hebrew with an Israeli accent, who slowly start sneaking in “the Gospel” after about six months.

6. Current Roman Catholics who defend the Inquisition, the Papal States, and forced conversion (a minority I know, but a loud one).

7. Religious insecurity on the part of Reform. Many Reform Jewish people have no real concept of Judiasm. Christians are most often very decent people and very certain of themselves. “Hell” sounds very scary. Ergo, they get scared and this makes them mad.


130 posted on 05/12/2010 3:04:44 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: justiceseeker93

You don’t want to get swindled? Keep your eyes and ears open. Don’t accept anything on face value without investigating, and beware of wishful thinking. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I have white hot rage that supposedly savvy people, who weren’t born yesterday, take such a long time to figure out that they’ve been swindled. As for Obama, one thing he didn’t do was swindle me. I loathed him from the get-go, and voted for Sarah Palin and whatsisface.


131 posted on 05/12/2010 3:24:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ( Two-state solution: A bad idea whose time has gone.)
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To: nolongerademocrat
I didn’t dismiss criticism of Jews - there are Jewish whack jobs too. I consider Jewish liberals to be whack jobs.

That's good to know.

You don’t think the fear is “justified”? That’s interesting.

Yes, it is unjustified. The number of Fundamentalist Protestants who are actually potentially dangerous to Jews in the United States is miniscule. Remember when Foxman predicted pogroms throughout the USA if (Catholic) Mel Gibson's film were released? Well, there weren't any. And so far as I know he has never apologized.

Would you like to know the first time I ever heard "the Jews" of killing Chr*st?" It sure weren't from any preacher, Joab! It was in an anti-prejudice movie on the CBS Children's Film Festival (it was placed in the mouth of a bigoted youngster in order to make the point that bigotry was bad). Now as I grew up I realized something very interesting: the "new testament" is indeed very, very anti-Semitic, and it does blame "the Jews" for killing J*sus. Yet Fundamentalist Protestants, who are supposed to live and breathe the "new testament," never say this, because even though the charge is woven throughout the "nt" it contradicts the Word of G-d in the Hebrew Bible. Pretty amazing, don't you think?

BTW, if your definition of "danger" is finding a "gospel tract" under your windshield wiper or hanging on your doorknob, you don't know what "danger" is. I'll bet the Jews of the Middle Ages would have gladly traded all they went through for finding an occasional tract.

I don’t believe I specified a historical time period and all of the videos I linked are from the present or 20th century. How does that mesh with your attempt to slough it off onto the Catholics? I am aware of the Protestant Reformation, but thanks for the insult.

You did indeed specify a time period by referring exclusively to whack jobs among Fundamentalist Protestants and ignoring the previous fifteen hundred years. And for your information, I have been Catholic too. Believe me, Catholicism isn't pro-Jewish at all, and what passes for "philo-Semitism" in it is nothing more than kum-ba-ya liberal ecumenicism. Of course I realize you can't possibly know the things I do from these personal experiences with both religions, but I am sorry my experience so violates your preconceptions. It must come from living in the big city with all those Catholics. But do you really believe rural America is populated by murderous bigots?

Again, I do not believe I referred to any atrocities committed prior to the last 300 years.

Which is precisely the problem. You completely bypassed fifteen hundred years of atrocities to exclusively single out anti-Semites among Fundamentalist Protestants.

Do I understand you correctly that you consider Protestant Evangelical Christianity to be a separate (and comparatively new) religion as opposed to Catholicism?

You do. That is also their position.

I’m sorry, I always understand them both to be Christian.

And what in sam hill does the word "chr*stian" mean? It is applied/claimed equally by Southern Baptists, Armenian Apostolics, J-- Witnesses, mormons, unitarian-universalists, "Oneness Pentecostals," and liberal United Methodists. It is also claimed by radical "palestinians" and radical, third world oriented churches like Jeremiah Wright's. Does that sound like a single religion to you? Please. It is a plethora of religions that shares nothing but a vocabulary--a vocabulary in which the words mean radically different things from one "denomination" to the other. Haven't you noticed how the Notzerim hate each other? Not only are they divided theologically, they are divided and antagonistic to one another ethnically (are there any two things more different than Fundamentalist Protestant whites and Fundamentalist Protestant Blacks?). That's what happens when you take G-d out of Heaven and (chas vechalilah!) make a human being out of him. He becomes not only a human, but a human of your own ethnicity, and your ethnicity becomes the special elect "holy nation" (chr*stian America, chr*stian Armenia, Catholic Spain, Solomonic Ethiopia, etc.). It's the world's most henotheistic "religion" in world history.

Well as Jeff Foxworthy might say, they cannot seem to keep the most ignorant among them off of the television set. I’m sure that you are aware that modern media does not always portray an accurate picture of any group of people. The TEA Party members would be a good example of that distortion.

The evangelicals one finds on television are pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, which anti-Semites and liberal chr*stians absolutely can't stand. Had you rather TV were full of those other kinds of chr*stians? (Most "evangelicals" on TV are also Pentecostals,and there is almost no classical Reformation Protestant presence on TV.)

I don’t speak for every Jew. If you think that I spoke out of prejudice - you are wrong.

I'm certainly glad to hear that!

Every single day there are posts about Israel on this forum, and every single day people post about how the Jews put Obama in the WH.

Do you realize that if Roman Catholics actually voted in conformity with their theology we wouldn't be in this mess today at all? It is certainly childish to say that Jews "put" Obama in the White House. Perhaps I am misreading, but most of the childish fulminations I read here don't blame Obama on the Jews but merely express frustration at how most American Jews are so insanely loyal to the Democrat party. If every Jew in America became a Republican tomorrow, that probably wouldn't do much about the vote (since the Jewish population is so much smaller than so many other groups). But it is still frustrating to see Jewish loyalty to an allegedly "great party" which is supposedly so "superior" to the Republicans when people like myself (the descendant of Southerners who fought for the Union) know what the Democrat party really is. If the Democrat party is so great, why was it the party of slavery and white supremacy for so long?

I’m addressing those attitudes and trying to explain why so many Jews are afraid of fundamentalist Christians.

What exactly is it that so many Jews are afraid of? That these "awful people" are going to preach to them? Hand them a tract? Shoot them? Cook and eat their children? If they're so awful, why am I down here in their very midst and wouldn't want to live anywhere else?

I find it interesting that you are so defensive about the subject.

Not interesting at all. One can choose one's religion, but one can't choose one's ethnoculture. And unless my people turn out to be the accursed `Amaleq, they are due massive apologies from every other population group in this country. I am tired of seeing them used as scapegoats for every evil in existence, tired of seeing them the only safe ethno-cultural group to lampoon and hate in an otherwise "non-judgmental" culture. If you can understand the group identity of Irish and Italians, why is "redneck" identity so sinister? It's the same thing.

You know . . . of my four grandparents I only knew one, who died in 1966. The others died in 1957, 1931, and 1919. I don't know anything about them. If I am not qualified to sit in judgment on their moral character, why in blazes should anyone else be granted the right to do so?

No, I did not know that you used to be a Fundamentalist Christian - I don’t know you at all. I don’t know about your attraction to anything - I don’t know you.

You got that right. And you don't know the other thousands and thousands of decent people who live in the American Heartland and study the Book of Joshua either. You certainly have no right to invoke a few "identity" Jew-hating "whack jobs" as an excuse of explaining why the vast majority of them are so "scary."

Just wow - I’ll let your attitude speak for itself - and it does so quite clearly.

Right back 'atcha.

You know something? The people you appear to be so disdainful of (and forgive me if I am misjudging you) are the only group in chr*stendom who actually donate money to settle Jews in Israel. And these aren't well-to-do people by any stretch of the imagination. If you watch those awful evangelists on TV I'm sure you've seen at least one infomercial of Rabbi Eckstine soliciting money from Fundamentalist Protestants for this very purpose. And what do they get in return? They are labeled "anti-Semites," "dangerous," . . . I have even read the charge on this forum that the poor people who donate money to Rabbi Eckstine are ee-vil and intentionally settle Russian Nazis in Israel. Honestly, what kind of mentality does it take to make such a ridiculous charge???

But maybe . . . just maybe . . . all this Jewish hostility serves a positive purpose for the fate of those awful people. Since they insist on an (absolutely groundless belief in chr*stianity (based on nothing whatsoever other than reasoning in a circle) and absolutely refuse to even consider that chr*stianity might not be the "one true religion," perhaps their support of the Jewish People in the absence of the slightest bit of gratitude serves to build up their zekhut so that their stubborn henotheism won't be held against them.

I do not believe that I ever accused ALL Fundamentalist Christians of doing or saying anything. I don’t have a problem with you or anyone else pursuing whatever spiritual path you choose

You should have a problem with anyone who refuses to reject their false "gxds" and vanities and acknowledge HaShem, the True G-d, and the one and only objective historical Revelation of that G-d at Sinai. RaMBa"M writes that Moses was enjoined to "compel" the nations of the world to accept the Seven Noachide Laws--something which Mashiach HaMelekh will certainly do. The Seven Noachide Laws (which preclude all man-created religions) are obligatory upon all non-Jewish mankind. And by the way, the "righteous of the nations" means observant Noachides, not "all good people regardless of their religious beliefs" as so many incorrectly believe. The reason there are non-Jews who hate and kill Jews is that they do not acknowledge the Jewish G-d and the Torah. All the secular "tolerance" programs and all the Holocaust education in the world will not eradicate anti-Semitism. Only the conversion of the entire non-Jewish world to Noachism will end anti-Semitism. Oh, and before you feel it necessary to remind me that "Jews are not missionary," that merely means Jews do not actively recruit converts to Judaism. It is missionary with regard to turning non-Jews into observant Noachides--a fact that has nearly been forgotten because Jews have lived so long among societies that would have exterminated them for doing this.

- as long as your spiritual path doesn’t require murder and mayhem - it is fine with me.

What is "murder and mayhem?" Was it "murder and mayhem" to exterminate the Seven Nations of Canaan, as commanded by G-d? (Yehoshu`a didn't build a "museum of tolerance" when he conquered the Land!) Or what about exterminating `Amaleq (which Mashiach is going to accomplish)? Is that murder and mayhem? Or how about executing people for capital crimes of idol worship? Isn't that a violation of the First Amendment?

You know, the ancient Jews of the TaNa"KH seem to me an awful lot like "those awful rednecks!"

I think you read what I wrote in a much harsher tone than I intended.

I sincerely hope so.

One final word before signing off. You're offended by cranks who attack Jews for continuing to vote Democrat no matter what? You should have seen FR eleven years ago when I first joined. Up until 9/11 this place was crawling with honest-to-goodness Nazis, and I'm sure there's still a few of them slithering around.

PS: Yeah, I know . . . I say "you know" a lot!

132 posted on 05/12/2010 4:01:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (LeShim`on, Shelumi'el Ben Tzurishadday.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I think I’m just going to let that stand.


133 posted on 05/12/2010 4:10:36 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: newnhdad
Most people are so brainwashed that they have no idea the Nazi’s were a socialist movement that worshiped an individual (Fuhrer) as the state versus the communists, who killed their share of Jews also, who worshiped the state above all else.

Both the Nazis and the Commies were deep into the cult of personality. The only difference was the width of the mustache.

134 posted on 05/12/2010 4:21:27 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jewbacca
Hello Jewbacca! Please see my response to nolongerademocrat in post #132.

“Why do Jews seem to be afraid of fundamentalist Christians?”

I’m not.

But I’ll jump into this. I think the reason is multi-fold.

1. Ignorance of different kinds of Christians. I have never studied Christianity and my knowledge comes from reading FreeRepublic and reading really angry threads by-and-between Roman Catholic Christians, Protestant Christians, and Mormons, who may, or may not, be Christian. From the outside, it’s pretty ugly.

As I told nolongeradem, there is no such thing as a single "chr*stian religion." "Chr*stianity" is a plethora of religions and theologies that run the entire spectrum. And chr*stianity is every bit as divided ethnically as it is theologically (Pat Buchanan and the Mexicans, anyone?).

And yes, it gets pretty ugly. The mormons are unfairly picked on by Fundamentalist Protestants who, for some crazy reason, don't recognize them as chr*stian but recognize Catholics and Orthodox when Catholicism and Orthodoxy have no more in common with Protestantism than either does with mormonism. And have you ever read the infighting between Catholic and Orthodox FReepers? That gets pretty nasty too.

Of course, being a "redneck" (not my fault! Blame HaShem Who `asani kirtzono) and having been Catholic for six years, I recognize most Catholic anti-Protestantism as being distinctly liberal, not to mention hypocritical. Maybe Catholic suffering in "Protestant America" is connected in some way to the way they themselves treated Jews for so long? And if you're going to attack the Holy Torah as a "dead letter," why get upset when someone else attacks your own "new torah" in the same terms? All the attacks on Torah could be applied to the "new law;" all the defenses of the "new law" could be applied to the Torah.

2. The media portrays evangelical Christains poorly.

There is an expression that is very apropos here, but I don't think I can use it without having the post deleted. Let's just say that it's initials are "NSS."

It's funny that the anti-chr*stian world spends so much time concentrating on a group that has only been existence for about four hundred years and which is practically unknown outside North America and Northeastern Europe (and its colonies). What about all those other chr*stians? Why do they get a free pass? You know . . . the Ethiopians, the Armenians, the Syrian Jacobites, the "St. Thomas" chr*stians of Kerala state in India . . . Not to mention the so-called "palestinian" chr*stians who are perhaps the most anti-Semitic chr*stians in the entire world but who seem to be the one and only group of chr*stians the "anti-chr*stian" world sympathizes with (well, aside from Black Protestants and Hispanic Catholics who for some reason are considered "victims" rather than practitioners of chr*stianity).

3. History. Face it, the Christian church (as a group) has not treated Jewish people well. (Yes, I know Jewish people did not do any better when we had the upper hand. I don’t defend that, either.)

No argument (although the Sanhedrion certainly had the authority to execute Jewish heretics).

4. Really annoying evangelical Christians who show up at shul and demand that we accept Jesus, generally loudly, or outside, pushing papers into people’s hands.

Yes, here we agree. That is very annoying. And what makes it worse is that the haranguer's beliefs aren't based on anything other than the fact that that's what he believes, which means nothing you can say to him can shake his belief in them. You may point out Deuteronomy 13 as forbidding anything resembling chr*stianity, but his "bible" has a "new testament" in it, so he "knows" that J*sus is the messiah! I've had plenty of arguments with those people right here on FR and it's like arguing with a liberal. Whatchagonnado?

5. Really sneaky evangelical Christians who show up at shul, dressed as Haredi, speaking great Hebrew with an Israeli accent, who slowly start sneaking in “the Gospel” after about six months.

Yes, I know about them as well (and there are "Noachide" groups that are adulterated by chr*stianity as well).

However, please allow me to suggest that this fascination with all things Jewish could be a two way street. What other people in the world is so drawn to the Jewish People, to Jewish prayers, to Jewish rituals? Maybe their heart is prompting them to abandon chr*stianity and some work is in order to make them accept the Noachide Laws? I know, it's hard to argue with someone who believes what he does merely because of the King James bible (after all, the KJV does have a "new testament" in it, and for most of these people that's all that chr*stianity needs as "proof." But certainly there may be some among these people who are within reach? You do realize, I hope, that many mainstream (and needless to say anti-Semitic) chr*stians attack these people as well as "Judaizers?" ::Sigh:: It's a sad thing to be caught between two groups, drawn to both, and yet hated by both.

6. Current Roman Catholics who defend the Inquisition, the Papal States, and forced conversion (a minority I know, but a loud one).

No problemo. I just wish you'd added the even larger and louder group of liberal "philo-Semitic" Catholics who condemn anti-Semitism but who insist the Torah is a compendium of Babylonian/Canaanite mythology. Maybe you have to be a redneck to let this bother you, but it really, really, REALLY bothers me. (And the funny thing is, they got all this nonsense from liberal German Lutherans.)

7. Religious insecurity on the part of Reform. Many Reform Jewish people have no real concept of Judiasm. Christians are most often very decent people and very certain of themselves. “Hell” sounds very scary. Ergo, they get scared and this makes them mad.

I'd go so far as to say that many liberal Jews (of "Reform" or of any other so-called "branch") actually define Judaism Fundamentalist chr*stianity--ie, anything that Fundamentalist chr*stians believe, Jews don't, and anything that Fundamentalist chr*stians don't believe, Jews should. Divine dictation of the Torah to Moses? Ten generations from Adam to Noach? Noach died when Abraham was 58 years old? The Exodus actually happened? The Jews conquered a land given them by G-d and exterminated its "indigenous" peoples? And of course there's that utterly "irrational" sacrificial cult. How could The People Defined By Their Rationalism go in for such stuff? It's much easier for liberal Jews to ignore the first thousand years of Jewish history and begin it as a modern "religious liberty" movement oppressed by obscurantist "theocratic" chr*stianity. I often wonder if there are any liberal Jews who believe that Chanukkah is the celebration of G-d giving the First Amendment to Thomas Jefferson at Mt. Rushmore?

Thanks JB. Your input is always welcome.

135 posted on 05/12/2010 4:33:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (LeShim`on, Shelumi'el Ben Tzurishadday.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

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136 posted on 05/12/2010 4:49:01 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: nolongerademocrat
I think I’m just going to let that stand.

I'm sorry that you apparently think that my standing up for a universally hated and despised people who have no defender is so "shameful" that letting my words stand is supposed to be some kind of refutation.

137 posted on 05/12/2010 5:15:54 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (LeShim`on, Shelumi'el Ben Tzurishadday.)
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
If senior journalist David Goldman is right, the correct word for describing the way a growing number of US Jews feel about President Barack Obama is not 'anger' but 'rage' -- white-hot rage, at that, and a conviction that they have been swindled. Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and 'Spengler' columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word 'sociopath' to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic 'train wreck' for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians.
That beats the alternative, at least from the viewpoint of the Obamabots and Demwits, even though they may not realize it. Thanks justiceseeker93.
138 posted on 05/12/2010 6:40:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Jewbacca

We need to tear down the MSM media wall and expose Obama for the person he really is. We all need to buy billboards and support organizations that opppose Obama.


139 posted on 05/12/2010 9:25:38 PM PDT by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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To: DallasDeb

I am a 3rd generation American Jew. My Great Grandfather left Tarnapol Russia in 1882 for a better life. My Father who is 85 and his Father were always a republican. We need to work hard on our fellow Jews as they forgot the lesson of history NEVER AGAIN from Hitler. Keep the faith. Goodness will prevail and America that country that Reagan said was a shining city will be restored after the Obummer era.


140 posted on 05/12/2010 9:37:44 PM PDT by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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