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Posted on 05/08/2010 10:24:28 PM PDT by d55may
This is another instance of breaking the Fourth Wall, but we want to share something that happens consistently to us that we’re just incredibly puzzled by, since we don’t see how behavior like this helps in any way to remove the current president and his corrupt party from power.
That’s our goal, see, and it’s something we are putting everything we have into. We put everything we had into stopping Obama from becoming president from 2007-2008 because we knew what he would do to this country. We did everything we could to stop him in the primaries. We put aside all of our preconceptions and personal bad feelings for the Republican Party and started up Democrats for McCain efforts — in Chicago, of all places — to do all we could to stop him from winning the general election. Post-election, we’ve done everything we could to rally as many people out there as possible to thwart his insane plans as much as possible. We do this because we love this country and do not want to see it go backwards — or, worse, to fall into ruin like Greece or other failed European, South American, or African states, the way this president wants the United States to become “just one of 190 countries in the world”. We truly believe this man wants to abdicate America’s, and the West’s, supremacy in the world…which benefits only this country’s enemies, most especially the would-be Global Caliphate of Islam.
So, we’ve put everything on the line to do everything we can every day to defeat Democrats in the coming November elections, always with an eye on making sure Obama does not get a second term in 2012. The Democrat Party needs to be taken down, completely destroyed, with the Earth salted so that Leftists can never again have so much sway over our government.
To say we are pretty committed is an understatement. These efforts have cost us everything, but it’s all worth it if we can help in any way to foil Obama’s plans.
So, considering all of this, it’s head-scratchingly bizarre that we are routinely attacked not just by the Left (which has reason to attack us), but the Right as well.
We’ve told you this before, about threads we read on Redstate and Ace of Spades, where moderators allow anti-gay comments to flourish — and there’s a decision made behind the scenes, clearly, to allow homophobia to run rampant on sites such as these which have a policy of banning people who bring up Birtherism or Trutherism and other things Redstate and Ace have decided they do not want to be associated with. So, when comments that are anti-gay are allowed to stand, while others are purposefully removed because they embarrass those sites, we have no other conclusion to draw other than Redstate and Ace believe homophobia is hilariously funny and something they want to embrace with relish.
It’s the same garbage over at Free Republic as well. Check out this thread, where someone posted a link to the Ann Coulter piece we did a few days ago.
It is almost instantly filled up with the most sophomoric, vile anti-gay jokes and sentiment imaginable.
Thankfully, some commenters scolded those responsible, but there really is a sickness amongst some people who call themselves both “religious” and “conservative”, who enjoy posting pictures with a “fudge-packing” theme.
We’d like to address this for a minute, while also giving some pushback to the apocryphal meme on the Right that enjoys attacking PUMAs and paradoxically blaming us for a McCain defeat in 2008 (when more Democrats voted for McCain than voted for Reagan in 1980…meanwhile, 6 million Republicans sat their sorry butts home because McCain was not “Reagan” enough for them, so they allowed what they claimed would be “Carter II” to become president, insisting he wouldn’t “be that bad”. Jackasses).
First of all, if you, in the year 2010, are making fudge-packing jokes, there’s a 99% chance you are gay yourself and either won’t admit it, are terrified of someone figuring you out, or you are too stupid or too much of an alcoholic to accept your own reality.
Those jokes aren’t funny, guys. Maybe they were before the advent of the internet, television, or even the radio. Maybe they were funny before people could read and write. Heck, there are people out there who think Carrot Top and Cedric the Entertainer are funny, so it’s true there is no accounting for taste. But, posting a picture of a fudge-factory to randomly take a swipe at gay guys — WHO ARE ON YOUR SIDE — is just so pointless and counterproductive.
Just how gay are YOU that you need to seize every possible opportunity to take a smack against someone else who’s gay?
Because we picture you sneaking into your mother’s basement, where you still live, at 42, and gingerly pulling back the old plaid blanket you use as a room divider. You creep behind the curtain and carefully unstack piles of Sports Illustrateds and Playboys you use as camouflage, to reveal hidden plastic milk crates full of all your treasures: the complete collected works of Barbara Streisand on mint-condition vinyl, vintage muscle posing strap catalogs from the 50s, your Charlie Crist for Senate campaign memorabilia, and an admittedly impressive collection of My Little Ponies. You won’t admit to your mother or anyone else that you are secretly gay, and you think nobody on Earth knows about your secret stash. You honestly believe no one suspects the reason you don’t have a girlfriend is that you “just haven’t met the right one yet”, and you think people really buy “it’s the economy, and I’m just saving up for a downpayment on a place” as the reason you still live with your mother. At 42. In her basement. While playing with dolls.
So, of course, to deflect attention off yourself, you seize every opportunity available to you to “rag on dem fags”. Hence, your fudge-packing photos.
What a clear sign of projection.
Which also ties into the weird attacks on PUMAs that still turn up on sites like Free Republic.
John McCain would be president today if 6 million Republicans hadn’t sat their sorry butts home on Election Day 2008, “to teach the GOP a lesson”. It’s as simple as that, folks. He lost states by the slimmest of margins because Republicans did not give him the support they gave to George W. Bush in 2004. Meanwhile, more Democrats crossed the aisle and voted for McCain/Palin than ever before in history. There were more Democrats for McCain/Palin than there were Reagan Democrats in 1980. We at HillBuzz are not anomalous. In every state where we have friends and family, people who voted Democrat blindly their entire lives pulled the lever for McCain/Palin and thus cast a Republican ballot for the first time ever. It was an immense culture shock to do so — like an all expenses paid sojourn to BizarroWorld in many cases, but we did it.
George Soros and the others behind the September financial meltdown gave Obama a lock on the election — when coupled with those 6 million conservatives who sat on the couches, in their diapers, and refused to vote for McCain. That is established fact.
Obama did not win, as the MSM loves to insist, because of an overwhelming surge of black, college-age, and first time immigrant voters that will guarantee Democrats a permanent majority forever. That is Orwellian propaganda from the Ministry of Truth, aka, our agenda-driven national media. Obama won because conservatives let him win. Conservatives dropped the ball and sat their sorry butts home.
You can continue to bizarrely attack Democrats who crossed the aisle to vote for McCain all you want, but you look insane doing it. Your argument is untenable and ridiculous, and goes something like: ”It’s all those PUMAs fault. There weren’t enough of them to make up for the 6 million conservatives who didn’t vote, so I hate PUMAs and gays are all fudge-packers and uh, Ma, I’m on the Internet, leave me alone, NO! I don’t want any more Fruit Roll-Ups. GEEEEESH!”.
You are a closeted gay male who is self-hated, so you project this by posting “fudge-packing” photos attacking gays.
You are a loser conservative who sat his ass home in 2008 “to teach the GOP a lesson” and now realize how mentally ill you were, so you project the contempt you feel for your self and your incredibly poor decisions on Democrats like us who did everything we could — at immense persona cost — to stop Obama from becoming president and destroying this country.
What did you do in the 2008 campaign to help Republicans win? We bet you sat your ass on the couch, or maybe you spent your time on message boards telling other conservatives they should stay home on election day “to teach the GOP a lesson”. That’s been your ridiculous, pathetic little mantra for umpteen years now. And yet, you have no idea how intensely foolish you are…because the DNC is what’s always been encouraging that garbage. It only helps the Left to think that way, or to do off on one of your insane third-party Libertarian jags. ”Keep it up”, the DNC cheers, “this is how we keep winning elections when only 20% of the country is Liberal, but damn near 60% of the conservative base is foolish enough to fall for this amateur hour garbage!”.
We’d like to see a day when Redstate, Ace of Spade, Free Republic, and other conservative sites wise up and start policing their comments and content for anti-gay attacks, the same as they moderate for racist jabs. We’re 100% positive posters would be banned for making racial jokes, using the “n-word”, and posting images relating to anti-black stereotypes. The fudge-packing tripe was acceptable to sites like this, but we’re sure pictures of watermelon eating contests or lynchings would be verboten. As they should be.
The real irony in all of this is just how much damage conservatives do to themselves by attacking gays — and they don’t even realize it.
Lesbians, in particular, are naturally conservative, but the Right doesn’t realize this. Ever go shopping with a lesbian? It’s an all-day, sometimes all-week process, to find the best deal on something. Lesbians will drive hours out of their way to save $10 on something, if they calculate the gas mileage and wear on the car comes out to $7.00 or less for the trip, if they net a $1.50 savings at least on that item, they are buying it clear across town. They are like this with everything. It’s amazing. They honestly should be Republicans — every last one of them, from Ellen down to Rosie with every lesbian in between. Republicans one and all.
The reason they aren’t Republicans is because they don’t feel welcome in the GOP, because of the very loud and vocal anti-gay contingent, particularly those that call themselves “religious”. So, women who should be voting their economic best interests…who should not be paying enormous taxes as property owners to fund the graft and corruption that benefits only the black community and other Democrat pet voting blocs (because, face it, the DNC does not send any money to lesbians, and does not fund any largesse in the LGBTQ community…which is an island left to fend for itself at all times)…consistently vote Democrat because they don’t really have another option.
People making those fudge-packing, anti-gay remarks take that option away from them.
The same is true for gay men, but they are not as sensible and financially savvy as lesbians. Gay men don’t care what happens to their money, by and large, and often spend their entire paychecks the weekend of pay day. We wish that wasn’t true, but it is. So, before they can vote in their economic best interests they need a better handle on economics in general. What keeps them voting Democrat is the fact that Redstate, Ace of Spades, Free Republic, and other sites keep reinforcing all the boogeyman stereotypes the Left puts out about Republicans. 99% of gay men believe everything they hear Anderson Cooper or Keith Olbermann say on TV. ”Republicans are evil, Brenden, I heard it from some guy who saw it on TV.” ”Oh, I know, Brenden #2, they are so evil. I heard from someone who said he was told by the guy at the Starbucks, you know, the really cute one, that those religious people hate us and make those fudge-packer jokes, and so I just hate them back and anyone who is gay that votes Republican is a Jewish Nazi”. ”Oh, Brenden, that’s totally deep.” ”I know, right, Coop said it the other day, and he’s just totally dreamy”.
We wish we were kidding. That’s practically an actual conversation in Boystown.
Gay men don’t stop to think about how much voting Republican would benefit them, because the Left has effectively prevented them from ever considering the option by promoting the meme that gay men voting GOP are “Jewish Nazis”…and are only giving support to the ignorant, bigoted, loudmouth, “religious” idiots like those posting that fudge-packing photo.
So, every time a conservative lets one of these people get away with that garbage — and every time Redstate, Ace, or Free Republic allows a photo like that to be displayed and an attitude like that to stand — you are only helping the Left.
We could write 25,000 more words on the subject, and we still won’t be able to come up with any way to get that to sink in for those of you out there who are either too stupid or too blind to realize this — BUT YOU ARE CONSISTENTLY ALIENATING NATURAL ALLIES WHEN YOU ALLOW HOMOPHOBIA TO STAND UNCHALLENGED IN CONSERVATIVE RANKS.
2008 proved, definitively, that a few votes here and there make all the difference in the world.
We all know nothing will ever magically increase the intelligence of conservative voters who choose to sit home and let someone like Obama win, because they want “to teach the GOP a lesson”. These people have serious mental problems if they really believe that’s what they are accomplishing. You might as well just consider those fools to be Democrat votes all along.
BUT, we truly believe in 10-15 years a sizable portion of the LGBTQ vote could indeed be going to the GOP — if only these ignorant bigots would stop handing these votes to the Left by encouraging and promoting the stereotypical hate the Left uses to paint conservatives as boogeymen.
There is truly no reason on Earth for a conservative to ever attack us here at HillBuzz.
If your goal is to stop Obama, then we are on your side.
If your goal is to defeat every Democrat in office currently, then we are on your side.
If your goal is to see Sarah Palin in the White House, then we are on your side.
If you’re one of those khaki pants and blue blazer little Romney punks, then we’re kind of your worst nightmare because we’re going to make sure he, Tim Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels, and other cucumbers-and-mayonnaise bland losers do NOT get the GOP nomination.
But, if you’re a firebrand, take-no-prisoners, in-your-face, boot-the-socialists-from-office conservative, then we hope you have sense enough to accept an ally that’s not only ready and willing to fight to the end — but who is battle-tested, field-trained, and runs a daily operation with readership in the tens of thousands and is laser-focused on defeating the absolute worst president this nation has ever had.
Attacking us is counter productive.
We understand the hits we take from the Left on a daily basis — clearly, we are effective on some level, or they would just leave us alone and ignore us. The fact we’re such a high target for them must mean we’re doing something right.
So, it makes no sense for the Right to take punches at us too.
We really wish those of you out there who frequent Redstate, Ace, and Free Republic would put a stop to that garbage. Trolls can indeed be banned. They should be banned.
If your goal is to win in 2010 and in 2012, we just can’t see the logic in alienating any allies…and, longterm, we just don’t understand why you want to keep throwing away the LGBTQ vote when the only thing you have to do to start winning it is to just stop the sophomoric hate and insipid anti-gay jokes.
That’s it.
Cut that crap out, initiate zero tolerance policies towards it, and win more elections.
It is that simple, folks.
Since 25% of homosexuals (I dislike that they have hijacked the perfectly innocent word “gay” to describe themselves) already voted historically for R’s, no amount of placating them by pretending that they are not sexual deviants will garner any more votes.
You toss off the homosexual agenda as though it’s nothing. It is not a dumb political strategy to promote natural family and marriage and to condemn the homosexual agenda, it’s a suicidal political agenda to to the opposite.
No one is discouraging conservative thinking homosexuals (they are not “gay”), since already a certain percentage - apparently a goodly percentage - vote for R’s already.
What you’re promoting under the cloak of “practicality” is surrendering to the homosexual agenda. You condemn condemnation of homosexuality and that is hypocritical. You’re duplicitous and that is something I don’t cotton to.
That’s true.
In the meantime they are voting conservatively.
Should we ask them to stop voting conservatively until they resolve the contradiction?
Or should they continue to vote conservatively while they work on figuring out the cognitive dissonance between their thoughts and actions?
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You are pure, 100% lies.
You claim you are not ignorant of the homsoexual agenda. In that case, you are promoting.
There is no “IF”. Homosexuals are polluting public places and driving normal people away. This is fact. They also claim it is their “culture” and we are homophobes for trying to clean up bathrooms, rest areas, parks and beaches from people buggering each other in the bushes or even out in the open.
No conservative is saying homosexuals should not be allowed to bugger each other in the privacy of their own home - or outhouse, as the case may be.
You said:
“If what they do in these places seeks to deprive individuals of liberty to think or choose their own path, then that agenda should be opposed.”
If buggering each other in public is only an “if” situation to you, and pushing their agenda in schools is fine by you, then you are part of the problem.
Let them vote however they are led. The numbers are so small they don’t make much difference, from what I understand. I can encourage them to become true conservatives, but in no way can I condone their lifestyle choices. Sorry.
I haven’t heard from anyone except you and the zotted fellow (maybe you’re him??) that anyone is “running off” so-called conservative homosexuals.
This is a bogus straw man.
Since they’re at most 2% of the population, and they don’t all vote, and at most 25% vote for R’s already, what’s the big deal?
What is being pushed is pandering to them for their votes and to promote their agenda by shutting us up.
I have to wonder if “ZIT” instead of “ZOT” wouldn’t be more appropriate for a ZOT in such instances as this...
It’s not duplicitous.
It’s very straightfoward.
Don’t go out of your way to insult people that are willing to vote on your side, whatever their reasoning.
How much more direct and staightforward can I be?
“You toss off the homosexual agenda as though it’s nothing. It is not a dumb political strategy to promote natural family and marriage and to condemn the homosexual agenda, it’s a suicidal political agenda to to the opposite.”
I don’t toss off anything.
What is it do you not understand about the difference between A.) on the one hand condemning the homosexual agenda and promoting traditional families, and B.) on the other hand insulting and ridiculing homosexuals?
I’m not sure why you don’t understand the difference.
“No one is discouraging conservative thinking homosexuals . . . since already a certain percentage - apparently a goodly percentage - vote for R’s already.”
Discouraging is precisely what you are doing when you engage in personal attacks and ridicule.
In addition to discouraging those voters, you are reaffirming the insidious, disgusting, claim of the Left that they (the Left) are the best thing that’s ever happened to persecuted groups. And we both know that the Left does more in this country to perpetuate marginalization of persecuted groups than the Right could ever dream to do, because the Left has people on the right reaffirming and re-energizing the claim of intolerance who want to make personal attacks and ridicule rather than fighting the fight in the realm of ideas.
“What you’re promoting under the cloak of “practicality” is surrendering to the homosexual agenda. You condemn condemnation of homosexuality and that is hypocritical.”
That is not a true statement. Nowhere have I promoted surrendering to the homosexual agenda. No where did I condemn condemnation of homosexuality. What I condemned was personal attacks and ridicule. If you want to battle the homosexual agenda in a way that reflects credit on the conservative philosophy then I support you.
Sure was a long screed. Good zot. Why do these idiots feel the need to jabber away on FR when they know it’s zot-bait?
Ok.
Well think what you want.
I think my ideas are pretty clear based on my posts.
I’m not going to continue to debate it because I think we’ve pretty much covered all the bases, and I actually need to get some work done today.
I’ve enjoyed the debate for my part, and I thank you for giving your perspective.
Personal attacks? That means someone on FR criticizing (I guess that’s what you mean by “personal attack”) a particular homosexual.
You do toss off the homosexual agenda. You said “if” what they do infringes on peoples’ rights etc.
Man, they’ve been infringing on peoples’ rights for 25 years and it’s getting worse and worse. And you totally ignore that.
This paragraph of strange gobbledygook is impossible to understand:
“In addition to discouraging those voters, you are reaffirming the insidious, disgusting, claim of the Left that they (the Left) are the best thing that’s ever happened to persecuted groups. And we both know that the Left does more in this country to perpetuate marginalization of persecuted groups than the Right could ever dream to do, because the Left has people on the right reaffirming and re-energizing the claim of intolerance who want to make personal attacks and ridicule rather than fighting the fight in the realm of ideas.”
Makes absolutetly no sense whatsoever. If you claim that people on FR do not deal in the realm of ideas (or I’d say, principles, facts and truths) concerning homosexuality and the “gay” agenda, you aren’t reading the right threads and articles.
Regarding the dead horse you are beating aka “personal attacks and ridicule” - I already said no one is personally attacking individuals (unless they deserve it), and it seems you are whining about people on FR (you say “conservatives” so I guess you mean the ones not on FR as well) are “intolerant” and you think no person on FR should engage in “ridicule”, well, you are the very personification of Political Correctness!
Yes, your ideas are pretty clear.
“Ignore the homosexual agenda and criticize people who criticize homosexuality and the homosexual agenda” - in the name of getting a tiny percentage of homosexuals to vote R when they either already do, or won’t anyway.
Crystal clear.
Ok well if you don’t understand it then I guess you can take some time and read it again. You’re right it is a little convoluted, but it makes a valid point.
In any event, I’m not going to continue to debate you all day. Like I said below, my ideas are pretty clear based on my posts.
I respect your opinions, even though I disagree. Have a nice day.
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I agree with you, PRS. I love the boys over at HillBuzz for everything they have done in exposing Obama, and especially in educating their fellow PUMAs, and Democrats in general.
I’ve not seen anything saying that PUMAs are to blame for McCain losing the election — frankly McCain ran a HORRID campaign, and stayed quiet about things he should not have. He should have gone for Obama’s jugular on many issues (esp. his associations with criminals, and communists), but he didn’t. That’s a HUGE reason why he lost — having a staff that was pretty much sabotaging Sarah at seemingly every turn certainly didn’t help the campaign either. So, I don’t understand why the boys at HillBuzz would think the Republicans are blaming THEM for McCain’s loss. I think about 99.9% of us realize that there are MANY reasons he lost, but the PUMAs? Well, I just don’t see how that would figure into the mix at all! They HELPED his campaign in many ways, and brought him more votes...
The fact is there will always be people who don’t approve of one’s lifestyle for whatever reason. THAT’S LIFE - and it’s NOT just people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered who deal with this on a daily basis! It’s NOT fair, but that is life. There are also people who delight in making fun of other people — and no matter what “group” or “lifestyle” you associate with this is going to be true. I’m tired of people bashing Christians, and Birthers, and Red-heads, and women, and short people. I’m especially tired of liberals looking at me like I’m the scum of the Earth because my husband and I have four daughters (the jokes do get old — you know what causes that, don’t you???).
But, guess what? It’s better to ignore these people because their ignorance shows poorly on themselves. As Eleanor Roosevelt so wisely stated:
“Remember, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
Don’t let the people who would try to tear you down for ANY reason get to you. Trying to control the actions of others doesn’t get you anywhere good.
And, as you said, if it’s over-the-top then report the posts to the mods. If the mods on whatever site don’t do anything about it, then perhaps the best thing would be to not go to that site anymore, and find other outlets for posting your opinions.
Regarding things here at FR — I think the boys over at HillBuzz need to keep in mind the sheer volume of people and posts here. Yes, we have quite a few people (myself included) who according to our religious beliefs do not “approve” of their lifestyle. However, the majority of us do not make fun of these people, nor do we wish them harm...
It’s only when GLBTs insist on forcing their lifestyle onto others (in various ways), and insist on “Special Rights” (see “hate crimes” which attempt to make the murder or beating of one person “worth” more than the murder or beating of another) that people get really upset, and for good reason. If we are truly all equal and people truly want to be treated that way then the ridiculousness of valuing one life more than another has to stop.
BUT, this is NOT just exclusively a “problem” with the GLBT community... The Communists are trying to make slaves of us all! And, there is not one group of people that will be “safe” from THEIR abuses.
Yes, people should grow up and perhaps take others feelings into consideration — however, the politically correct nonsense has to stop. It is creating an atmosphere that IS hurting freedom of speech. Gay jokes, like Irish Jokes, or Polack jokes, or any other “joke” is just that — humor. Some people appreciate more sophisticated jokes, but there will always be a portion of folks who enjoy sophomoric humor.
Didn’t mean for this rant to be so long! I probably missed a few things, or didn’t express myself all that well. However, I wish the boys at HillBuzz wouldn’t go down this road. To paint an entire website as they are attempting to do based on the postings of a very SLIM portion of the hundreds of thousands of registered users is being rather irresponsible on their part, IMHO.
Freedom of speech is a good thing — even if we don’t agree with some of the things people choose to say about others. The alternative is much, much worse than having our feelings hurt or being offended on occasion... I appreciate the fact that here at FR we truly do believe in Freedom of Speech, even for childish jerks.
Ironic I know on a thread where someone got zotted, but there is a difference between expressing an opinion and joining and posting something in an effort to malign this website and the majority of posters...
Wow. That is surprising to me! I suppose it’s about avoiding pregnancy, but I find it hard to believe that anal sex is a big part of teen sex! Maybe things have changed (a lot) since I was in school 20 years ago...
I think young folks can understand the threat, however, you also have to keep in mind the prevalence of the “immortality mindset” that almost all teens possess to one extent or another. I think that is why their eyes were glazing over. It’s not that they can’t comprehend disease, it’s that they don’t understand their own mortality, IMHO.
So, it is your opinion that only God-fearing people can be conservatives? Which particular believers can be, and which can’t?
I am a Christian, and have a very good personal relationship with God and my Savior Jesus Christ. But, if you are saying that ONLY those with faith in God can be “conservative” then I would have to disagree with you.
Conservatism does NOT require adhering to a certain religion. Atheists could even be good Conservatives... I don’t see where one HAS to believe in God to be a conservative. One doesn’t have to have faith in God in order to live a righteous life (I wouldn’t try it, or recommend it) but it’s not like they cannot understand conservative ideals as it relates to politics.
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