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Ending the Slavery Blame-Game (Obama Favors Reparations in Theory)
1 posted on 05/02/2010 9:02:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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duh...
34 posted on 05/02/2010 9:42:58 PM PDT by Chode
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To: neverdem

Well, if WE must pay reparations they should be paid in Confederate Dollars.

My ancestors came here in 1850, and never owned slaves. Why should I have to pay one dime? They never benefited from the labor of slaves, because to my knowledge not one drop of slave sweat was ever spent in the arid Mountain West from slavery’s inception in the U.S. and its official “demise” after the civil war.


39 posted on 05/02/2010 9:54:29 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: neverdem
The whole idea of groups of people that only share the same skin color somehow being responsible for the actions of others is simply ridiculous and racist. Why would an American who immigrated to the USA in 1914 have any responsibility at all for something that happened in 1820? And why would, say, a Nigerian who immigrated to the USA in 1970 deserve a payment because some other person with the same color skin was brought to the USA as a slave in 1720? And wouldn't the families of those who gave their lives fighting to end slavery deserve compensation for their contributions towards ending it?

The whole concept of reparations paid on the basis of race is ridiculous and it only gets taken seriously at all due to the horrors of slavery and the abstract nature of applying the idea to the past. But if the concept of groups of people with similarly colored skin sharing some collective responsibility were even a remotely logical idea, wouldn't it make sense to apply it first to actions in the present, not the past? So, for example, there could be a tax, based on your race, to pay for the costs of incarcerating whoever happened to be in jail who had the same skin color as you did. But that's obviously a ridiculous idea, and shows just how silly the whole concept of race based reparations is.

40 posted on 05/02/2010 9:59:50 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To be sure, the African role in the slave trade was greatly reduced after 1807, when abolitionists, first in Britain and then, a year later, in the United States, succeeded in banning the importation of slaves.

To be fair he should point out that the ability for the abolitionists to succeed in 1808 was written into the Constitution by the founders in 1789.

43 posted on 05/02/2010 10:09:16 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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Gates is a brilliant misHistorian.

Too bad he never delved into the history of Arabs enslaving Europeans in greater numbers than their trade in Africa ever produced.
46 posted on 05/02/2010 10:18:23 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: neverdem

Alex Haley, author of “Roots” was purported to have said that every black American should get down on his knees , thank God, and kiss the ground for their ancestors being brought to the U.S. as slaves.


47 posted on 05/02/2010 10:20:55 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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No one ever mentions the fact that many free blacks owned black slaves before the civil war. Wonder how they would work that into their formulas for who would get reparations.


50 posted on 05/02/2010 10:38:38 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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54 posted on 05/02/2010 10:57:01 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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As a northern white Republican I demand payment from the Democrats for my ancestors who were killed saving blacks from Democrat sponsored slavery in the Civil War.


56 posted on 05/03/2010 12:03:28 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: neverdem

Has Gates gone Uncle Tom, Oreo, etc. to make up for his racist stupidity with Officer Crowley, or is he just telling the truth?


57 posted on 05/03/2010 3:11:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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The day reparations start getting distributing, will be the day I take myself to another country.


58 posted on 05/03/2010 4:26:14 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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Which means that when Eddie Murphy came to America to find a queen, the royal ancestors of the princess he found were enslaved by his royal ancestor


59 posted on 05/03/2010 4:30:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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Obama said that reparations would not be given directly under the name reparations.

I think things like this student loan, and this health care are forms of reparations in his mind. They will be designed to put minorities first.


60 posted on 05/03/2010 4:34:14 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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Many/most of these slaves would have never been enslaved by their bruthas if the white man wasn’t there buying them. The slaves were not give to whitey for free. Whitey created a market for them and the African slavers got recompense in.....I don’t know. Axes, knives, swords, metal spear and arrow tips and steel implements and clothing are a good place to start. How about matches to start fires? Steel pots to cook with and cook missionaries in (/joke)

So Henry Louis Gates big revelation (look how nuanced I am!) means nothing


65 posted on 05/03/2010 7:52:57 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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Given this remarkably messy history, the problem with reparations may not be so much whether they are a good idea or deciding who would get them; the larger question just might be from whom they would be extracted.

So just what does Professor Gates want President Obama to do — who "favors reparations in theory?"

Thomas Sowell — in Intellectuals and Society — sheds some much needed light on slavery and reparations issues:

Slavery has been a pervasive evil around the world for thousands of years but confusing morality with causation — and seeking a localization of evil — has led to the history of slavery being stood on its head throughout our educational system, as well as in the media and by the intelligentsia in general. Thus slavery has been depicted as if it were a peculiarity of white people against black people in the United States, or in Western societies. No one dreams of demanding reparations from North Africans for all the Europeans brought there as slaves by Barbary Coast pirates, even though these European slaves greatly outnumbered the African slaves brought to the United States and to the thirteen colonies from which it was formed.

Because the West has not been immune to the evils, errors and shortcomings of the human race around the world, the intelligentsia have been able to document these failings in a way that makes them look like peculiarities of "our society." In the case of slavery, what was peculiar about the West was that it was the first civilization to turn against slavery, beginning in the eighteenth century, and that it destroyed slavery around the world, beginning in the nineteenth century, not only within its own societies but also in non-Western societies it controlled, influenced or threatened. Yet there is virtually no interest among today's intelligentsia in how a worldwide phenomenon was ended after a thousand years, for it did not simply die out of its own accord, but was forcibly suppressed by the West in campaigns around the world that lasted for more than a century, often over the bitter opposition of Africans, Asians, and others who wanted slavery preserved. But that story seldom makes it through the filters.

What is highlighted is that the West had slavery, as if that was peculiar to the West. What is also highlighted is that black people were enslaved by white people in the West. But, even in the West, white people were enslaved by other white people for centuries before the first African was brought to the Western Hemisphere in chains. The very fact that these Africans were called "slaves" reflected the fact that a white group which had been enslaved for centuries before were Slavs — since the word for slave was derived from the name for Slavs, not only in English but in other European languages and in Arabic.

A fact of the matter rarely considered is that African tribes routinely made war on each other, and sold their captives into slavery, a business facilitated largely by Arab merchants. It was a great way to "make money" and get rid of tribal rivals.

So Prof. Gates and TOTUS think it feasible to "extract" reparations from me, just because I'm a white American (who is half Slav)?

Seems to me they'd have to spin a pretty tall tale to sell that idea....

68 posted on 05/03/2010 10:04:36 AM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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Obviously those African leaders who acknowledge the African role in Black slavery are “race traitors” and “Uncle Toms” (like the people of Uganda whose opposition to homosexual rape makes them “racist rednecks”).


75 posted on 05/03/2010 10:41:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Uqera'tem deror ba'aretz, lekhol yosheveyha . . .)
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BTTT


78 posted on 05/03/2010 11:09:15 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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thanks neverdem.

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81 posted on 05/03/2010 3:56:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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