Posted on 05/01/2010 1:22:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
One of the constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency is that he be a "natural born citizen." This was put into place by the founders to keep foreigners or persons who do not bear a non-questionable allegiance to the US Constitution out. Obviously, and admittedly Barack Hussein Obama was born to a foreign citizen and is not 100% American. He's half-American, half-African and all Marxist. He obviously bears no allegiance whatsoever to the US Constitution and is working overtime to destroy it. He's a usurper and should be removed from office. He is exactly the kind of fraud/usurper the founders feared.
Thank you so much RC for that post! You have done a wonderful job expressing the core of truth in a very clear and concise way. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
If that were true, then any country in the world could cancel out an American-born individual's natural-born status by granting them citizenship at birth. Lucky for us, this is not the case. U.S. law is the only thing that determines our status as American citizens, not decrees from foreign countries. This is why the U.S. doesn't officially recognize dual citizenship.
A statement that ridiculous means you've run out of arguments.
If you have evidence that JD Hayworth believes Obama is disqualified from being President because of his father’s citizenship, please post it.
If you believe Rush Limbaugh thinks Obama is disqualified from being President because of his father’s citizenship, post it.
I believe EVERY candidate for office should be required to release birth, health, and educational records - just as folks asking for a job. I think it is wrong that Obama has not, and I would not vote for someone who hides their records from the public.
If Obama was born overseas, I support his IMMEDIATE removal. My argument, as you well know, is that a fact known to the voters, Rush Limbaugh, JD Hayworth, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, his opponents, the states, the Congress and the Supreme Court cannot disqualify Obama after the fact.
Personally, I think he has hidden his birth certificate because Barack Obama Sr was NOT his father. I suspect if we really knew - or if his mother knew, and I doubt she did - who his father was, then Barry would be unchallengeable as a natural born citizen.
Why? It's no different from what you're saying. Obama had a choice, but only because of a foreign law, which has zero influence on his citizenship status under U.S. law.
CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT
Grey usurped the law when writing that opinion and NO SCOTUS opinion is Supreme Law, opinions are known to get overturned as was just shown recently. So your clinging to a flawed decision will be your downfall. States are already stepping up to the plate to also correct Congresses lack of upholding the law in this area along with the border problem. It is just a matter of time.
Prof. Eler 2008:
BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP—the policy whereby the children of illegal aliens born within the geographical limits of the United States are entitled to American citizenship—is a great magnet for illegal immigration. Many believe that this policy is an explicit command of the Constitution, consistent with the British common law system. But this is simply not true.
The framers of the Constitution were, of course, well-versed in the British common law, having learned its essential principles from William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England. As such, they knew that the very concept of citizenship was unknown in British common law. Blackstone speaks only of “birthright subjectship” or “birthright allegiance,” never using the terms citizen or citizenship. The idea of birthright subjectship is derived from feudal law. It is the relation of master and servant; all who are born within the protection of the king owe perpetual allegiance as a “debt of gratitude.” According to Blackstone, this debt is “intrinsic” and “cannot be forefeited, cancelled, or altered.” Birthright subjectship under the common law is thus the doctrine of perpetual allegiance.
America’s Founders rejected this doctrine. The Declaration of Independence, after all, solemnly proclaims that “the good People of these Colonies. . . are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved.” According to Blackstone, the common law regards such an act as “high treason.” So the common law—the feudal doctrine of perpetual allegiance—could not possibly serve as the ground of American (i.e., republican) citizenship. Indeed, the idea is too preposterous to entertain!
James Wilson, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and a member of the Constitutional Convention as well as a Supreme Court Justice, captured the essence of the matter when he remarked: “Under the Constitution of the United States there are citizens, but no subjects.” The transformation of subjects into citizens was the work of the Declaration and the Constitution. Both are premised on the idea that citizenship is based on the consent of the governed—not the accident of birth.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2008&month=07
Edwin Meese: “A Supreme Court decision does not establish a “supreme law of the land” that is binding on all persons and parts of government, henceforth and forevermore.”
Here is Meese 7 Eastman's amicus brief filed with the SCOTUS in 2004: http://www.claremont.org/repository/doclib/hamdimeritsbrieffinal.pdf
Edwin Meese 2007: Where We Stand: Essential Requirements for Immigration Reform: Clarify birthright citizenship. According to the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, those who are born here must also be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The popular concept of “birthright citizenship”-that anyone born while in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen-is historically and legally inaccurate. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/05/Where-We-Stand-Essential-Requirements-for-Immigration-Reform
The identity and citizenship of his father is just one of Barry’s eligibility problems. There are at least 3 others.
The only birther objection I have a strong opinion on is saying that the citizenship of Obama’s father makes Obama ineligible. Let’s face it - that wasn’t unknown or hidden from view during the campaign.
I’m not sure what your other 3 are, but the “2 citizen” rule gets my goat. If you want to share the other 3, I’ll be glad to listen.
My other strong objection is the idea that a member of the military should refuse deployment until he has proof of Obama’s eligibility. I figure if someone has that strong an objection, they should resign their commission and fight it as a civilian. I deployed far more times than I can count, and it always pissed me off when someone tried to skip a deployment.
Strong and true words.
The paternal descent rule has been obsolete since not so long after Vattel.
The rule that applies to Drew68's son is the 14th Amendment. But of he had been born abroad, the outcome would be the same, given Drew68's citizenship. And if Drew68 were the mother instead of the father, the outcome would still be the same. Natural born. Eligible! Foreign government citizenship laws utterly irrelevant!
Birthers are a huge waste of time. Even if Zero had been born in Mombasa of a tramp from Liverpool and BHO, Sr., it would still require a majority of the House and two thirds of the Senate to remove him (Chief Justice Roberts, in his best robes, presiding, but not voting, of course).
If we got really lucky next November, I'm sure we could find a high crime or misdemeanor somewhere. But not the birth certificate, because no sane person believes that garbage!
Chicago? Last time I checked, that was US soil.
Either he's eligible or he's an illegal alien. Which is it?
Unlike the birthers, you've just cited a valid reason to remove him. Besides, I don't live in the Community, so why should I give a 'Rat's ass?
Anyone who voted for Obama because he was black is just as racist as anyone who voted against him because he was black. (That's a good one to use on college kids, by the way. Makes 'em squirm.)
We should proceed on that assumption — that Obama is a Natural Born Red Diaper Baby — a possibility the Founders did not consider (or assumed the voters would be smart enough to handle correctly). Hopefully, it leads to the same outcome: removal on or before 2013. Americans will wake up, just not soon enough to avoid an expensive mess.
The birther path is a non-starter. If Americans believed it, Obama would never have been elected, or, having been elected, would be ripe for removal via the impeachment process.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2504335/posts?page=1
Follow the links to the videos and you will find my answer to your justification - “that it wasn’t unknown” about Barry’s father issue.
The fact that the 2 citizen rule gets your goat doesn’t matter. It is part of the definition of “natural born”.
The fact that you would look the other way on the 2 citizen rule and you apparently have contempt for Lakin tells me that you and I have no common ground for further discussion.
It sure was and it still is, not that his father was a Kenyan, but that his father being a Kenyan made him ineligible.
Few even here had never heard of Vattel, or historian founder Ramsay, or Breckenridge Long, or the dicta of Supreme Court cases defining "natural born citizen" before the election, even though we have an educated political class made up of lawyers and scholars who have access to that information and yet through negligence or malice kept that information under wraps.
We in the last year have just taken the wraps off our past in this regard and our ruling class doesn't like it.
We're supposed to remain dumb, gullible and happy and subservient to the babble they feed us. Well -- we're Americans and fully capable of self-sufficiency and getting our own food instead of sitting at their table begging for crumbs and singing their silly songs.
When will you grow up and do the same???
But then, his third-world mentality was earned in streets far from Washington D.C., and a heritage that despised the American way of life.
BTTT.
What an idiotic bit of blowhard blather!
Yep, just wait for your mighty warrior Citizen Armies to learn how to build, maintain and operate F-15s, nukes, ICBMs, aircraft carriers...
You pretend you are loyal to the Constitution, but you seem to never have read it!
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