Posted on 05/01/2010 1:22:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
One of the constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency is that he be a "natural born citizen." This was put into place by the founders to keep foreigners or persons who do not bear a non-questionable allegiance to the US Constitution out. Obviously, and admittedly Barack Hussein Obama was born to a foreign citizen and is not 100% American. He's half-American, half-African and all Marxist. He obviously bears no allegiance whatsoever to the US Constitution and is working overtime to destroy it. He's a usurper and should be removed from office. He is exactly the kind of fraud/usurper the founders feared.
“How can the sovereign, which is The People, remain sovereign under a powerful Executive? The Executive himself must acquire sovereignty via heredity.”
Um...the People remain sovereign via elections, and the checks and balances provided by a three-fold government. We do NOT remain sovereign by right of having a President born in the USA.
It's obvious you were planted just like the 1961 birth announcements. /s
Old Rat After-Birther steve-b "since 1998-08-19" thought the same. It's not too late to say goodbye to him.
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steve-b was an out and out leftist troll. Finally got tired of reading his pap.
“The Eleventh Amendment (Amendment XI) to the United States Constitution, which was passed by the Congress on March 4, 1794 and was ratified on February 7, 1795, deals with each state’s sovereign immunity from being sued in federal court by someone of another state or country. This amendment was adopted in response to, and in order to overrule, the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 419 (1793).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
No one reading my 11000 posts would conclude I was a leftist troll...
Steve-b too had thousands of posts. You certainly act like one here.
What was it the original citizens called perpetual allegiance? "Perpetual nonsense." That is what you'd have the same people use as original source for their own citizenship, lol.
A sovereign people cannot be led by anyone other than themselves and that occurred via descent, just as a monarch could not be sovereign without that right descending to him.
And again, we’re dealing with original intent, Mr. Rogers. “The People” were first and foremost citizens of their respective States at that time, with national citizenship determination made at the State level. That was the case right up to the aftermath of the Civil War.
Blackstone spoke of denizens. Blacktone spoke of French citizenship was passed on by jus sanguinis. Ms. Rogers cherry picks Blackstone and wrongly concludes Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen.
You have explained this issue so well! I really appreciate post #339. There can be no doubt, simply given facts that were provided by Obama himself, during the campaign, that he does not meet eligibility. It is so unfortunate that most American’s, myself included, did not understand this, and the IMPORTANCE of it, at the time. I am sick for my part in it! (being uninformed that is...I did not vote for Obama) How will we prevent this from happening in the future when there are those who will site this election as evidence that the rule has changed by virtue of the American people and their willingness to elect someone who was not Natural born?
Blackstone wrote of English sovereignty being passed down via heredity, too. Our friend has brainlock when it comes to that.
No argument there, but aside from Obama I would like someone to show the statue/law that defines "natural born citizen" and says that a child born in the US (or overseas and immediately registered as a US citizen) to at least one American parent can't serve as POTUS.
It would be a sad day if disagreeing about the legality of Obama being in office made one a leftist troll. By that standard, every Congressman, the Supreme Court, Malkin, Coulter and Rush are all ‘leftist trolls’. JD Hayworth would be a leftist troll running to replace McCain, who IS a leftist troll.
If I’m a leftist troll, the country is irrecoverable, since I’m to the right of 90+% of the population. Let’s see...a leftist troll who supports concealed carry for everyone without permit, opposes abortion & the homosexual agenda, loathes illegal immigration, homeschools and who believes we are over taxed and the government should be cut by a minimum of 50% this year...if I’m a leftist, what is the rest of the country?
A naturalized citizen who was born on American soil to an American mother? The Constitution is very clear that such a person is a citizen at birth, so there would be no reason for naturalization.
By virtue of his father being a British subject he would have dual-citizenship. As you recognized yourself the choice to retain U.S. citizenship exists making it self-evident that the person in question is only a U.S. citizen by naturalization. A “natural-born” citizen never has to make a choice or take any action to secure his citizenship status.
However, you've set your mind aside on this subject. And however, trolls are known to say conservative things on FR and come out later on crucial and critical issues to liberalism and Demorat party as this is. If Obama goes down because he is not a natural born citizen, it would be over for the Demorat party. They know the stakes and so do you.
<> Vattel had one sentence, and it didn’t translate as ‘natural born citizen’ until AFTER the Constitution was written. From the French, it still does not.<>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504982/posts
And you are wrong again —
I don't doubt your sincerity, I just strongly question your conclusions. You're comparatively new to this and have not covered the ground that some of us have covered.
From the standpoint of statute law, you've been absolutely correct. What you're failing to appreciate is that statute law does not determine the birth status in question.
Fair enough. I may be stupid, or dense, or misguided - those are all nicer than what my wife of 23 years was saying the other day - but I’m not a traitor.
But my conclusions are FWIW, and I’ve never claimed to be a lawyer.
I specified how it was translated in early English editions, and quoted the French with an Internet translation. And in the French, it does not say “natural born citizen”...nor is it meant as a legal dictionary.
By that standard, every Congressman,
Plenty of leftist trolls in Congress and ones who disregard the evidence are either leftist trolls or are afraid of the media and are intellectually dishonest.
the Supreme Court,
At least 4 of them are leftist trolls and one is on occasion.
Malkin,
Malkin appears to have looked at the issue closer lately and is coming around.
Coulter
Coulter wanted media access to hawk her new book. She did not want the mostly moonbat media blackball her. Her latest comment(s) are positive.
Rush
Rush is a "Birther" He regularity brings up the issue when news becomes available.
JD Hayworth
Is a "Birther"
McCain has always been a leftist RINO, After-Birther troll.
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