[yetidog]

Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

[opentalk]

from How the Media Lied about Obama’s Birth Records thread.

Under Section 57 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii (in effect in 1961), a mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by only one of Obama's parents (who could have been out of the country or whose signature could have been forged by a grandparent) or grandparents, would be enough to set up a birth record at the Department of Vital Statistics. This meager birth record would then automatically generate newspaper announcements, and also, a computer-generated COLB in 2008.

[coaltrain]

If he was born in Kenya and returned to U.S. after a few days and birth announcement provided to paper (either by mother upon return or relatives hearing of birth). I have no idea, just guessing.

[True Republican Patriot]

Did You ever notice the Bullcrap printed everyday? or You a person who believes ROCKS have Brilliant I.Q’s? Just Asking because I am curious!....:-)

[News Junkie]

I’ll give it a try:

The (2) newspaper birth announcements are too far downstream from the fraud, if indeed a fraud happened, of obtaining a birth certificate.

For argument sake, suppose that Barack Obama was born in Kenya during a visit there by his parents as alleged. How would they get an American birth certificate on record? Easy. Hawaii law in 1961 allowed for walk-in recording of births up to a year after birth. (because some weren’t born in hospitals). So, when the Obamas get back to Hawaii, someone walks in to the records department and registers the birth. (Here is where the fraud would have ocurred).

Then the birth certificate gets created and filed, and takes its natural course in the Vital Statistics bureau - including routinely getting reported out to newspapers.

I’m not saying that it did happen that way. Just that it is possible. The newpaper records are not proof that Obama was born in the US, just proof that there is a birth certificate on file in Hawaii - however obtained.

This is the most mis-reported story in the last year IMHO.

[Nepeta]

Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

Try this: Obama most likely was born in Hawaii but the people we have been told were his parents are not the ones we have been told.

The guy from Kenya allowed his name to be used, but he was not the biological father. This would explain one reason to hide the original documents, and why no one remembers the birth. Mixed race people are not unusual in Hawaii, but a Kenyan father would be exotic and memorable.

Or perhaps this: Stanley Dunham was actually Obama's father, and his mother an unknown woman with dark skin. Stanley Dunham wanted a son so badly that he named his daughter Stanley. By maintaining the fiction that the boy was his daughter's son, he got to raise the son he always wanted.

Placing the birth notices in the newspapers was just the beginning of establishing false parentage. No one imagined then that it would become meaningful later.

[garjog]

“Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fraudulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.”

You see, there was a Santanic conspiracy to put Obama in office. Time travelers went back to Honolulu in 1961 to submit fraudulent birth announcements in the two papers to cover up that he was actually born in Kenya. It was a clever trick, but we are not fooled.

Then a “fake” birth certificate was produced by a group of space aliens and Al Qadea agents using photo-shop and sent out to the media.

A Wicken Coven also stepped in to use CIA mind control technology to brain wash the governor of Hawaii and Hospital officials to keep the real documents hidden.

It all make sense when you know the secret story.

[Clump]

My understanding is that these newspaper announcements are made routinely under a number of circumstances. They are done even when the baby was not born in hawaii.

[conservativegramma]

Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

Because Hawaii had extremely lax birth registration laws in 1961.

You could have been born anywhere and Hawaii would have accepted any information that anyone could have sent in on a mail-in form. Born on Mars? No problem. Just fill out the form that you were born on Oahu and you get a certificate! Isn't that cool???

Seriously.....read the link....and then read this one on Attorney Mario Apuzzo's website where he explains the newspaper announcements legally don't mean a birth occurred in Hawaii, just that a birth was REGISTERED in Hawaii.

[Elsiejay]

The condition of “natural born birth” vis-a-vis eligibility for U. S. presidency requires that both parents be U. S. citizens.

[little jeremiah]

There are numerous threads on FR that detail exactly why those announcements are not proof of anything. You really should read up. If they are fraudulent in some way, or called in by gramma even though the little vermin was spawned somewhere else, obviously it would be to help give him US citizenship for convenience, not becuase they thought he’d be president some day. There’s also a bit of evidenve they could have been inserted in microfiche or whatever. No one has seen the originals, just micrfiche or rather copies of the microfiche.

At that time the news papers in HI only printed announcements of some of the births, not all of them. It has not been determined exactly how those births made it into the paper at that time. Now, parents or other relatives can fax or I suppose bring in birth announcements to the papers.

[TigersEye]

There are a lot of reasons to want to falsely claim American citizenship other than running for President. Ever hear of anchor babies? It is a red herring to try and make that into a plan from birth to run for President.

Now why are all of these records hidden?

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

[RobbyS]

1)The announcement is not specific
2) it was, apparently, something phoned in rather than posted by a hospital.
3) There were obvious advantages in establishing that a young American woman’s child was born in the country, especially since his father was not an American.

Now, as far as I am concerned, he may well have been born in Oahu, but that that “long form” birth certificate might contain information that discredits Obama’s published biography. Maybe Obama was not the father. Maybe Stanley Ann was not the mother? Maybe the father was not identified? Who knows. But until the documents are shown, we don’t know.

As for the COLB that has been published? I don’t accept this as proof. My own COLB is not factual. My adoptive parents are listed as my natural parents because this is the way they did it in my state. The actual birth certificate is either buried in court files or—since record keeping was pretty loose—simply no longer exists.
COLB is not factual.

[greeneyes]

“Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.”

The newpaper announcement does lend credibility, but it is far from establishing anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
A future presidency is not the only reason to want your child or grandchild to be an American citizen. My local paper in the 1960’s would print an announcement submitted and no proof of anything was needed.

Personally, I think there is something Obama is hiding about his birth certificate and vital statistics, but it is not necessarily his birthplace.

I don’t believe he is a natural born citizen because his father was not a US citizen(both parents should be), and that appears to be what the framers of the constitution meant by NBC, although that is far from settled either.

[danamco]

Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

At that time, I think, anybody could submit a birth announcement to any newspaper in the country regardless where the newborn was born. However, that does not make him a NBC, especially by his father's sperm/blood mixture which made him a Kenyan/British/E.U. citizen plus mostly also a fourth citizenship from the Indonesian adoption!!!

Any further questions???

[mad_as_he$$]

Back in that time (and still today in someplace) you could get a birth announcement printed by simply submitting an announcement to the paper. It is not clear to me that the paper got it's information from the vital records dept or from Grandma.

My own birth announcement was published in my Mother's home town newspaper 400 miles from where I was born the next day.