Posted on 04/15/2010 6:52:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
What is corporatism? In a (somewhat inaccurate) phrase, socialism for the bourgeois. It has the outward form of capitalism in that it preserves private ownership & private management but with a crucial difference: as under socialism, government guarantees the flow of material goods which under true capitalism it does not. In classical capitalism...government's role in the economy is simply to prevent force or fraud from disrupting the autonomous operation of the free market...Under corporatism, it is not, instead being systematically manipulated to deliver goods to political constituencies...
Unlike socialism, corporatism understands that direct government ownership of the means of production does not work...But it does not represent a half-way condition between capitalism & socialism. Corporatism blends socialism & capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism's promise of a government guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism's private ownership & management.
What makes corporatism so politically irresistible is that it is attractive not just to the mass electorate but to the economic elites as well...big business likes big government except when big government gets greedy & tries to renegotiate the division of spoils. Although big business was an historic adversary of the introduction of the corporatists state, it eventually found common ground with it.
The first thing big business has in common with big government is managerialism. The technocratic manager who deals in impersonal mass aggregates, organizes through bureaucracy and rules through expertise without assuming personal responsibility is common to both. The second thing big business likes about big government is that it has a competitive advantage over small business in doing business with it and negotiating favors. Big government in turn, likes big business because it is manageable; it does what it is told...
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Ron Paul use corporatist instead of the fascism, because he doesn’t want to have to explain himself to the media reporter. Calling Obama a fascist gets a defensive reaction from the media. The media is alot more comfortable with corporatism, because it puts big corporation as the villain
Name one prominent American who could withstand the fire if he/she named Obama as a Fascist on the national media stage.
Half steps are still a forward movement in altering the framing of the debate.
In two months ask yourself again if any prominent American can withstand the fire if he/she named Obama as a Fascist in the national media. I think the answer will be different... I even believe we’ll witness it repeatedly this summer.
100% correct. Fascism was called the third way (with capitalism and socialism being the first two ways) whereas it was not so important as to who “owned” the means of production and was not so important as to achieving a fair distribution of goods. What was important was that the political agenda and goals of the fascist state be achieved.
Fascism was symbolically represented by sticks all intertwined. Each stick was representative of different aspects of life being intertwined with the fascist state. There would be no free market as the entire market would be intertwined with the state in so that the fascist political agenda would be intertwined with free market principles.
As of today in America we already see the entire education market intertwined with the political agenda of the progressive fascist movement through the state. We have seen the entire banking and housing market intertwined with the political agenda of the progressive fascist movement through the state as well.
And of course now they are intertwining the health care and insurance market as well. Of course they aren’t done. They wish to intertwine the entire energy market with political agendas as well and all of this will lead to having every single aspect of our lives intertwined with political agendas and state control.
The progressive movement is a fascist movement. They wish to dictate their own morality to everyone. On most issues they do not even want to allow us to have representation on issues (such as sexuality, when life begins, etc…)
It does not imply that corporations are evil.
It isn’t evil for corporations to make profits, even gigantic, huge profits.
What is evil is when corporations throw their lot in with big government and the American people get the shaft with the individual mandate and other things.
I am most definitely not anti-corporation or anti-profit by any stretch of the imagination, but I am anti-corporatist.
This country is of the people, by the people and for the people, not of the socialist or of the corporations and by them or for them.
In the short term. It's main design, though, is to destroy the insurance company eventually.
I believe Obama intends to use the corporation to further his aims of socialism in a worldwide socialist movement ending in communism.
I don’t agree with you.
Corporatist is a word that I am seeing used quite often now more and more across the web and in news articles/columns.
“Fascist” often makes the average person’s eyes roll, but they will listen to what a person has to say if they use the word corporatist. It doesn’t have the negative connotations. I will use either word, as I have no problem with either.
Calling someone a fascist has about as much political impact as calling someone a Nazi.
Why is Ron Paul dancing aroung the word? This is the exact definition of fascism
BINGO! The corps get what they want (profits) and the Govt gets what they want (Control). The people get shafted.
When did that last exist in the good old USA?
Great post, TheBigIf.
kudos!
Politically Corporatism is better than socialism because as long as companies are officially owned privately, elected politicians can blame the high price of the (their) taxes and the regulations and poor services and products on those greedy capitalists. If the government actually owns companies then they are held politically responsible for the problems it causes.
BTW : Ron Paul's name added the posted title is referenced no place in this frontpage magazine article nor in the original title and the article is not about him .
But, but, do these people at Front Page Magazine no nothing of European History? Has the world forgotten Mussolini already?
He was practically speaking, the inventor of the corporate state. Fascism. All large enterprise in a country with significant government ownership and control. Control of unions. Control of the Government. Housing. Medical Care. Transportation. Energy. The Banks. The Stock Markets. Agriculture. Automobiles.
There will be no end to what the gov't can control the flow of, guarantee to the masses at taxpayer expense, with the profits going to the corporations: life insurance policies, sales of automobiles and on and on. Just like with the big banks now being part of the corporatist structure: gov't owns a big chunk of it and the bankers get the profits and if big losses occur, the tax-payer foots the bill (and they did with the banker bail-outs). And just like with the housing market (Fannie & Freddie): Gov't now controls the majority of the housing market (they control alot of the flow), the bankers get the profits and the tax payer got stuck with the bail-out. BTW, the big banks railed against the Federal Reserve Act, but they were the ones behind it.
That was Mussolini. He is an absolute hero to Fidel Castro, among others, and it was his system that inspired the NAZI economic "reforms" of the 1930's. He was also a hero in Depression-wracked Britain, and admired in the US, making the TIME Magazine cover.
The Corporate State is seen in certain circles as the best way to stimulate and develop the economy of poor countries and was enthusiastically used as the economic model by dictators in Turkey, Portugal, and even the Dominican Republic!
Those who do not know history, are condemned to repeat it. That it what we are doing now. Mussolini, who started as fervent a Marxist as Obama, saw that Communism's economic model could not work. His answer, and now ours apparently, The Corporate State.
Go to Mises.org and read about facsism under NAZI’s in Germany and you will see that Ron Rupaul is in fact wrong. Obama is a FACSIST.
Pingo da Mussolini
By Jove! I believe you have nailed it! While I like and believe some of the fiscal truths Paul spouts, I basically cannot stand the man. He comes across as exactly what you have called him.
I am VERY concerned about these new "finance" regs. Dodd has dreamed up. They are giving Obadman the power to take over anything he chooses to declare on the verge of failure without in put from anyone--Chavez style takeover power. You can look at Venezuela and see how that has worked out.
vaudine
The United States Government owns 61% of GM. That’s socialism. If it’s not, there is no such thing on the face of the earth.
If Ron Paul explains that he is pro-free-market, pro-small business and pro-corporation, just not pro-corporatism and explains the difference, there shouldn’t be any problems.
He can explain real quick that the governments job is to prevent force (for example, the individual mandate in ObamaCare is force) and fraud and that a blending of socialism and big governemnt is what we are seeing, with gov’t controlling the flow, and the insurance companies getting the bucks at tax-payer expense through the individual mandate, there shouldn’t be any problems.
He could also explain how the same is taking place now with other sectors of the economy.
Americans aren’t anti-business, andi-corporation and they will see that Ron Paul isn’t, either.
“Corporatist is another word for fascist.”
That’s right.
In the end though, there are only two kinds of markets (or business climates)—free markets, or government controlled markets. Everything that is not a free market is a government controlled market and the only difference is the degree of control, which always devolves ultimately into total control.
Hank
Thank you!
Thank you!
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