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Don't repeat this history [Cokie Roberts and Civil War]
Oakland Tribune ^ | Cokie and Steven Roberts

Posted on 04/12/2010 12:13:20 PM PDT by Plutarch

CHARLESTON, S.C. — Looking out from the harbor here, it's easy to imagine a mortar lighting up the night sky as it hurtled toward Fort Sumter and signaled the start of the Civil War. It's also easy, standing inside the walls of the island garrison, to view today's nullification battle over health care less as a frivolous political game and more as a serious threat to the Constitution.

"The last ray of hope for preserving the Union peaceably expired at the assault on Fort Sumter," mourned President Abraham Lincoln. Painted on the wall of the fort's small museum, those words remind us that the war was the final act in the unraveling of the union. The disintegration began here in South Carolina as well, with the state's declaration almost 30 years earlier that federal tariff laws were "unauthorized by the Constitution ... and are null, void and ... not binding on this state."

That states' rights sentiment is with us again. The attorneys general of 14 states have filed suit challenging the health care law because, they argue, the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to require the purchase of health insurance. Virginia, acting in direct defiance of federal law, passed a measure making mandated health insurance illegal.

To critics who say this is just political gamesmanship by Republican AGs (plus a Louisiana Democrat who claims he's doing the bidding of the Republican governor), the states' chief law-enforcement officers insist they're following in a tradition dating back to the Founding Fathers themselves. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, they remind us, wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions challenging the Alien and Sedition Acts as an assumption of "undelegated powers" by the federal government. The 1798 resolutions termed the laws "unauthoritative, void and of no force."

It's a familiar argument to anyone who lived through the civil-rights era in the American South when Jefferson and Madison were hauled out regularly as champions of states' rights. The memory of that struggle remains fresh in Arkansas, where the attorney general has resisted pressure to join the nullifiers, sharing Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe's view that "They tried it here in Arkansas in '57, and it didn't work." That year, President Dwight Eisenhower sent in federal troops to enforce school integration, deeming the Supreme Court's school-desegregation decision "the law of the land."

Recalling his state's history, Attorney General Dustin McDaniel bluntly concludes: "A state deciding that it wants to singularly defy federal law simply because the citizens may not like it — that's not the way the democratic process works. That's not the way the Constitution is set up."

In the 1950s, it was the Supreme Court, not the Congress, that then-Arkansas Gov. Orval Faubus took on by his insistence that "neither the state of Arkansas nor its people delegated to the federal government ... the power to regulate or control the operation of the domestic institutions of Arkansas."

And it's the Supreme Court that is likely to have the final say on this current challenge to federal authority. Most legal experts agree that the justices will probably uphold the health care law under the clause of the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce. But the currently constituted court could come to a different conclusion, and the defenders of states' rights could once again, as they did in the days before the Civil War, find a judicial branch sympathetic to their views.

It's hard to imagine what would happen politically if the Supreme Court sided with some states against Congress. The already severely frayed fabric of government would certainly be further torn apart. It's far better to leave the health care debate in the arena of electoral politics — and for the losers to accept defeat. That's the essence of democracy.

It's an election, after all, that defused that first challenge to federal authority. Jefferson won the presidency and simply allowed the Alien and Sedition Acts to expire. The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions became irrelevant until the South Carolina nullification declaration when John Calhoun invoked them as precedent for his actions. But Madison was still around to dispute Calhoun, calling the South Carolinian's attempt to defy the law "anarchical," adding that it would have "the effect of putting powder under the Constitution & Union, and a match in the hand of every party, to blow them up at pleasure."

Which, of course, is exactly what happened 30 years later here at Fort Sumter. It's not a history any American wants to repeat.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Dakota; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: cokie; cokieroberts; dixie; hysteria; obamacare; partisanwitchhunt; playtheracecard; pravdamedia; statesrights; stupidcokiehead
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Yes Cokie, if the Supremes overturn Obamacare, it will result in Civil War II. Not that you'd be wanting to scare us or anything.
1 posted on 04/12/2010 12:13:20 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

The states were right in 1861 and right now. Cokie would gladly give up her freedom if Barack asked her to do so.


2 posted on 04/12/2010 12:16:03 PM PDT by mak5
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“That states’ rights sentiment is with us again.”

You bet your ass it is...and if it has to be resolved, so be it...your move, Marxist.


3 posted on 04/12/2010 12:16:56 PM PDT by jessduntno ( If someone calls me racist, I reply "you are just saying that because I'm white!")
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Obamacare is unconstitutional. Up yours, Cokie.


4 posted on 04/12/2010 12:17:12 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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If the leftists want to have an actual shooting war to force communism on the country, well I guess we’ll just have to participate.


5 posted on 04/12/2010 12:17:18 PM PDT by Argus
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That states' rights sentiment is with us again.

The Federal Government cannot dictate speed limits, drinking age, or DUI blood alcohol levels. Even with "commerce", the Fed holds no control over these laws. So the Feds withhold highway funds to force States to pass the legislation in areas that the Fed is not supposed to control.

Education is likewise a States' only issue. Funding is from local school districts.

But the witchhunting Leftists like to whip up a hysteria of "racism" whenever States' rights are mentioned.

6 posted on 04/12/2010 12:17:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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Cokie, born into Beltway aristocracy, needs get familiar with this flag.

7 posted on 04/12/2010 12:18:14 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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The spoiled little brat who started the fight, then crying to the teacher “he pushed me first”


8 posted on 04/12/2010 12:18:41 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Plutarch

Cokie has been smoking something that is illegal.


9 posted on 04/12/2010 12:18:43 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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To: Plutarch
Cokie?


10 posted on 04/12/2010 12:19:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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This argument is so utterly divorced from the facts of the matter words simply fail one.


11 posted on 04/12/2010 12:19:04 PM PDT by MNJohnnie
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Cokie’s an idiot.

Her inability to read the 10th amendment is staggering.

It’d be interesting to ask her this question:

If the Federal government can ignore the 2nd and 10th amendments (as it has continuously for years), why shouldn’t it ignore the First and Fourth, as well?


12 posted on 04/12/2010 12:19:07 PM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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yeah... just bend over and take it

The civil war was less about slavery than it was about STATES RIGHTS

Slavery would have died out one way or another, and the USA LED THE WAY to getting rid of slavery.


13 posted on 04/12/2010 12:19:30 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Argus

Leftists get a big ol’ virtual stiffy
when they think about using the state
to punish and kill their ideological opponents.


14 posted on 04/12/2010 12:20:29 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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“[Cokie Roberts and Civil War]”

Cokie’s comments are very revealing if you read between the lines. While the left generally trivializes the Tea Party as just a small group of fringe whack jobs, her comparison to the Civil War reveals her recognition of the depth and breadth of the movement, and that it must be taken seriously. That’s the closest thing to respect anyone from the left has uttered.


15 posted on 04/12/2010 12:20:31 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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The Federal government also is prohibited from dictating marriage and age of consent laws.

Plenty of States’ rights that the Pravda Media does not want to acknowledge.


16 posted on 04/12/2010 12:20:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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It will revive the 10th ammendment. It will breathe new life into it, and that probably scares them more than anything.


17 posted on 04/12/2010 12:20:42 PM PDT by marron
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To: Plutarch
"It's not a history any American wants to repeat."

If it ends people stealing my life's work and giving it to slackers, I'm all for it.

18 posted on 04/12/2010 12:21:32 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: jessduntno

Just to ask these folks that say that states can’t secede (which was “settled” by force, not by agreement, in the 1860’s) -

what are the states to do when the federal government,
the entity created by the states through the Constitution,
refuses to abide by that contract?

What is the recourse if secession is off the table?


19 posted on 04/12/2010 12:22:17 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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The attorneys general of 14 states have filed suit challenging the health care law because, they argue, the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to require the purchase of health insurance.

There is a difference between 14 states using the legal system to challenge what they believe is an unconsitutional power grab by the federal government, and bombarding a fort into submission. Or didn't Cokie notice that?

20 posted on 04/12/2010 12:24:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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