Ron Paul: Barack Obama is Not a Socialist

Wall Street Journal ^ | April 10, 2010, 4:20 PM ET

[Sub-Driver]

Ron Paul: Barack Obama is Not a Socialist

NEW ORLEANS–Republicans and tea party activists are fond of accusing President Barack Obama of being a socialist, but today party gadfly Ron Paul said they had it wrong.

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

[ohioWfan]

btw, in case you missed the implication of my last post, my conversation with you is over.

(Oh.........and you certainly picked up FR formatting skills quickly. You must be a bright one. ;)

[stevem]

Is a corporatist the same thing as a fascist?

[Christian_Capitalist]

btw, in case you missed the implication of my last post, my conversation with you is over.

(shrugs). If I want the last word, I'll take it. You can just sit there and watch.

(Oh.........and you certainly picked up FR formatting skills quickly. You must be a bright one. ;)

Well, yes, I am.

But beyond that, something else I've been advised: HTML Sandbox is your friend. Try it, it's fun.

I am an across the board conservative with a long record of activism on social issues and electing conservative candidates.

Uh huh. Sure you are.

Tell you what -- Here and here you can hear a couple of the 60-second radio spots I've been doing for Tea Party Radio. Since I'm not nationally syndicated yet, you don't get to hear me in Ohio; but I'm already being heard all over the southwest Virginia/upper Carolinas areas.

Script #1:

In 1864, scientist Louis Pasteur published one of the most basic of all scientific laws – the Law of Biogenesis, which simply states that “Life does not arise from Non-Life”: a Law which has been confirmed in thousands of experiments which have never once produced any form of life from any combination of non-living chemicals.

And yet in America's public schools, our children are taught that a scientifically-impossible event, the random generation of life from non-living chemicals, somehow did happen millions of years ago; and even though it has never once been observed in the laboratory our children simply have to accept on faith that it did happen. Frankly, this is tantamount to teaching our children to believe in Magic.

Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for... opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.” When the more than 80% of all Americans who believe that God was involved in the Creation of Life are prohibited from having our views included in the public schools which we pay for, I wonder why any of us should continue supporting the public schools at all.

Script #2:

In 1 Samuel 8:17, God warned the people of Israel that any government which demanded more in taxes than the 10% which God Himself required for His tithe, was a tyranny over the people. The great Reformer John Calvin said that taxes taken from working folk were “almost the very blood of the people, which it were the harshest inhumanity not to spare”.

And yet in America today, combined Federal and State taxation of over $4.5 Trillion dollars consumes over 30% of all national income – revenues which the Government uses for such corrupt and immoral purposes as teaching atheism in our public schools, and subsidizing abortions in foreign countries.

Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “A little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing.” When the size of Government in America, under both Democrats and Republicans, has expanded to demand more than three times as much in taxation as God Himself said was the mark of a Tyrant -- is it not long past time that we all worked and prayed for revolutionary change in our government, and our country?

And unlike our Reader-in-Chief, I don't need a teleprompter -- because I write all my own scripts; I'm not just a pretty voice. (I just have help with the sound production).

What work for Conservative causes can YOU point to, to demonstrate that you are any kind of Conservative at all?

Because if you can't, then I stand by my well-warned assessment (which has come into my FReepMail box from SEVERAL Freepers, not just one): you ONLY care about War; you do not truly care about any other Conservative issue. Which means that you aren't, truly, a small-government Conservative at all.

[ohioWfan]

It doesn't matter. Those "several freepers" are lying.

I'll be glad to tell you the truth about my pro-life activism, and work to elect conservatives, but you're clearly more interested in believing anonymous (i.e. cowardly) liars.

I only tell the truth, therefore we have nothing more to talk about. When you realize you've been lied to, I'll be happy to talk.

Until then, I'll work for conservatism, and you can work for a small government LIBERAL.

[ohioWfan]

btw, liberals lie a lot. Be careful who you trust.

[DallasSun]

it is true, cherry. unfortunately, I agree with you.

[Christian_Capitalist]

It doesn't matter. Those "several freepers" are lying. I'll be glad to tell you the truth about my pro-life activism, and work to elect conservatives, but you're clearly more interested in believing anonymous (i.e. cowardly) liars. I only tell the truth, therefore we have nothing more to talk about. When you realize you've been lied to, I'll be happy to talk.

Fine. I'll extend the benefit of the doubt.

Tell you what. If, perhaps, I see SOME evidence from you that you're willing to work for a candidate who supports 90% of the Conservative issues on the Platform, but who disagrees with you on Foreign Wars -- THEN I'll believe that you're a genuine, multi-issue Conservative who cares about other Conservative issues than just only getting into Foreign Wars. (Because after all, there's lots of big-government Democrats who are cheerleaders for various foreign wars).

But if I don't see such evidence from you, then there's no reason I would change my initial assessment: "you ONLY care about War; you do not truly care about any other Conservative issue. Which means that you aren't, truly, a small-government Conservative at all".

So, I guess I'll just watch, and see.

[ohioWfan]

In the first place, I don't care what you think because you rely on cowardly liars for your information.

In the second place, you can go to my homepage and click on links regarding the health care bill and the DC Tea Parties my husband and I have attended.

In the third place, you can ask any number of pro-lifers on this forum, even those of which I have other disagreements with, and you will know that I have been fighting for the sanctity of life for more than 3 decades. And you can ask anyone who knows that I served on the steering committee for Ken Blackwell's campaign (or are you going to say that he's not conservative either?) to verify what that means.

But to answer your question, no, I would not support a candidate who would refuse to defend this nation against our enemies. It is ridiculous to say that those of us who understand the Constitutional mandate that the President has to defend us against our enemies, are only interested in WAR. In fact, it's one of the most ludicrous accusations I've ever seen on FR, and goes against the principles of not only the owner of the forum, but of the vast majority of people who post here.

The fact remains that, unless you are a retread, and breaking FR rules, you are clueless as to what I stand for, and your relying on the deceit of a coward rather than the truth doesn't say much for you, as a Christian, as a Conservative, or as a person.

Now if you want me to ping a few hundred character witnesses to put you to further shame with the truth, I can do this, but for your own protection, I would recommend that you drop this silly line of attack.

Ron Paul is a bad candidate because he will not protect us against our enemies as the Constitution mandates - and he has a whole lot of other non-conservative flaws.

You may insult me and make false accusations until the cows come home, but you will not make me say that it's OK to put America at risk. So Ron Paul needs to quit paying people to support him and spam the Internet to give the impression that there are more than a tiny band of them, pull back and let an across the board Conservative to be our nominee in 2012. If he doesn't, he's helping Obama, and that is unthinkable.

[Christian_Capitalist]

But to answer your question, no, I would not support a candidate who would refuse to defend this nation against our enemies. It is ridiculous to say that those of us who understand the Constitutional mandate that the President has to defend us against our enemies, are only interested in WAR. In fact, it's one of the most ludicrous accusations I've ever seen on FR, and goes against the principles of not only the owner of the forum, but of the vast majority of people who post here.

It's ridiculous to say that "a candidate would refuse to defend this nation against our enemies", when that very candidate (Ron Paul) in fact DID defend this nation against her enemies as an Air Force veteran!

Outta curiosity, have you ever served in the military? I personally have not; but then I don't go around bad-mouthing Veterans like you do.

You disagree with Ron Paul on HOW to fight the War on Terror -- on the tactics (Ron Paul says, "Border Security first". That's a legitimate tactical argument).

Because of your disagreement with him on that ONE, tactical political issue, you're willing to throw ALL the other Conservative issues on the Platform right out the window!!

So, you're only confirming the impression I'd already formed, and on which I've gotten multiple independent confirmation from other FReepers:

If, perhaps, I see SOME evidence from you that you're willing to work for a candidate who supports 90% of the Conservative issues on the Platform, but who disagrees with you on Foreign Wars -- THEN I'll believe that you're a genuine, multi-issue Conservative who cares about other Conservative issues than just only getting into Foreign Wars. (Because after all, there's lots of big-government Democrats who are cheerleaders for various foreign wars).

But if I don't see such evidence from you, then there's no reason I would change my initial assessment: "you ONLY care about War; you do not truly care about any other Conservative issue. Which means that you aren't, truly, a small-government Conservative at all".

Let me ask you this: Tom Mullins, Adam Kokesh's opponent in the New Mexico GOP primary, is a strong Fiscal Conservative and Pro-Lifer.

Are you going to refuse to support Tom Mullins against Adam Kokesh just because Mullins is Anti-War?

Going forward from today. We must leave Iraq to its own people, Sunni, Shia, and Kurd, to govern and secure. The sooner we can remove our troops the better.... Tom does not believe the United States should be the world's policeman. Nor should we attempt to occupy land and build an empire. Tom believes that we need to let other nations take the lead and focus upon our domestic security. -- Tom Mullins for Congress.

Well? Are you going to refuse to support Tom Mullins because he is "a candidate who would refuse to defend this nation against our enemies"?

Call your witnesses if you want; you don't scare me.

I'm more interested in hearing what you can say for yourself.

[rabscuttle385]

I am EXACTLY who I claim to be

No, you're not.

You're a RINO apologist with sick teenage fantasies about one George W. Bush who likes to slur other FReepers as homosexuals, and it's a damned shame that your zotting wasn't permanent.

[Lakeshark]

Good grief, of all the people to be talking about sick teenage fantasies.....

You are one repulsive piece of work piece of work, posting something like that.

Pimples, baby fat and all.

[Allegra]

You're a RINO apologist with sick teenage fantasies about one George W. Bush...

What a horrible accusation to make about a fellow FReeper.

[spunkets]

"Sounds like Obama is a fascist. "

Which is a socialist.

[onyx]

No, you're not. You're a RINO apologist with sick teenage fantasies about one George W. Bush who likes to slur other FReepers as homosexuals, and it's a damned shame that your zotting wasn't permanent.

Proud of your comments, are you?

Smears and lies about ohioWfan.

You ought to be ashamed.

Why did you ping mkjessup? Do you think he'll agree with you? I don't.

[Captain Kirk]

Remind me again, who owns Government Motors now?

Thanks for helping to make my point. The government doesn't officially own it. As was true of most industries under fascism, the company is dejure private (e.g. people can provide shares, etc.) but in reality that primary controller is government with the "private owners" acting a subsidized and subordinate junior partner. In other words, it is a textbook example of how industry actually operated in Germany and Italy.

[Captain Kirk]

Remind me again, who owns Government Motors now?

Thanks for helping to make my point. The government doesn't officially own it. As was true of most industries under fascism, the company is dejure privately owned (e.g. people can provide shares, the CEO is appointed by shareholders, etc.) but in reality that primary controller is government with the "private owner" acting as a subsidized and subordinate junior partner. In other words, GM today is a textbook example of how industry actually operated in Germany and Italy. If it was officially state owned, it would have been openly nationlized as was the case with the Labour government in Britian. How and why do you disagree with this comparison?

[izzatzo]

“He is a socialist to say the least, more like a communist.”

That’s for sure, and Ron Paul is a first class doofus if he thinks Obuma is less.

[longtermmemmory]

kook paul and the little kookbots must be on Obama’s payroll.

Obama is 100% a socialist at best or a communist at worst.

kookpaul is an insane nut.

[Chunga]

You're a RINO apologist with sick teenage fantasies about one George W. Bush who likes to slur other FReepers as homosexuals, and it's a damned shame that your zotting wasn't permanent.

You're the laughingstock of the board, pimple-boy. LOL.

[mkjessup]

...You're a RINO apologist with sick teenage fantasies about one George W. Bush who likes to slur other FReepers as homosexuals, and it's a damned shame that your zotting wasn't permanent.
Proud of your comments, are you?
Smears and lies about ohioWfan.
You ought to be ashamed.
Why did you ping mkjessup? Do you think he'll agree with you? I don't.

This is one of the first times I really don't want to post, but I'm going to anyway, whether I'm using my better judgment, I don't know.

Rabs has strong opinions about RINOs, liberals, leftists, and their ilk.

So do I.

But I will say this: unless my memory is failing me completely, I have never seen any actual evidence that oWf was anything more than an extremely enthusiastic, dedicated and devout supporter and follower of George W. Bush. In the past, I admit that I took issue with what I felt at the time was a bit of an excessive FR home page on her part praising all things GWB.

But you know what folks? In retrospect I'm just going to say "so what?" - it's your FR page, put up anything you want, if it's ok with JimRob, than it should be ok with anybody else. I might not agree or like it, but there lots of things I don't agree with and dislike, so again I say "so what?". OhioWfan and I both know that we are probably never going to agree or reconcile our views regarding our 43rd President. I do know this: ohioWfan is no fan of John McCain and is supporting J.D. Hayworth, just as most truly conservative FReepers are.

The only experience I had with oWf so far as the slurring other FReepers as homosexuals, was a brief less-than-friendly exchange in which it appeared she was engaging in some gender-confusion tactics, implying that this 'he' was actually a 'she'. I didn't consider that being slurred as a homosexual, I considered it just one of many tactics that are used by some FReepers to 'irk' their opponent in a discussion, debate or argument.

I am not posting this as as a rebuke to Rabs, I have not ascertained the basis for his words cited in his post #350 and I'm honestly not inclined to go searching through the bowels of FR's archives to try and prove/disprove #350. As I said already, I didn't want to respond to this in the first place (as the chorus says 'so why DID you!').

It's Sunday night, I'm tired, I'm going to be brutally honest with everyone and confess that I am weary as hell.

But I'm also mad as Hell. I'm watching our Country being destroyed from the inside by an accursed little bastard who very likely has no Constitutional right to even VISIT the White House, let alone serve as the President. I am watching the honor of our Nation shredded almost on an hourly basis by those brazen anti-American sons o'b!tches, cheered on by their comrades in the lamestream media (now the 0bamunist 'Ministry of Information'), the economy is swirling the bowl, our friends are becoming if not our adversaries, indifferent to us, our enemies are being emboldened and we can only imagine the nightmares that await us due to the malicious and deliberate malfeasance that is going on at the highest levels of what used to be the government of 'We The People' and we are being all but disarmed and left naked on a national basis.

I'm here to tell anyone who wants to listen that many of my days are spent getting madder by the hour, and the only thing that keeps me from doing something I can't talk about due to FR posting guidelines, is to get on my knees, and beseech my Lord to calm my ass down before I keel over, and if it is His Will, to kindly consider sparing our Nation from the darkest times I have ever seen in my life.

Some of you are my very dear FRiends, SJB? You're at the top in my book. Rabs? I admire your determination and tenacity. Take this in the kind spirit it is meant: it isn't the the number of shots that matter, it's the number of shots that count. Aim with precision and you will always do well. E-Star? What a prince of a gentleman you are, bless you, and Landru? You're not on FR very often these days, but you are in a class all by yourself and it is 24 karat gold so far as I'm concerned. JimRob? I suspect that I piss you off more than I please you, but that's just me. Nothing deliberate or personal, thank you for being who you are, and doing all that you do, the Lord be with you Sir.

Did I overlook some FRiends of mine? I'm sure I did, but don't think you're any less important to me. Now some of you can't stand me, and that's ok. I say what I think, let the chips fall where they may, and if someone likes or agrees with me, great. If not? Tango Sierra.

This post has turned into something a little different than what I first intended, but don't think this is my opus, I'll never do that, and I'll never have one angry word to say about FR and/or JimRob, this is my home away from home. I'm just blowing off some steam here.

I don't know what lies ahead for us, either individually or collectively as Americans. But if and when I am called upon to lay down my life for our Constitution, our Republic, our Freedom, I will do so gladly as I am certain all of you will as well.

Sorry if this isn't the response you were expecting. I'm signing off for the night, I'm going to go pray my ass off now.

Good night and God bless you wonderful people.