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ABC News: Vladimir Putin to head investigation into Polish president's death
ABC News (Australia) ^

Posted on 04/10/2010 5:49:28 AM PDT by quesney

Russia says Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will personally head the investigation into an aeroplane crash that killed Poland's president.

A total of 96 people were on board the plane that crashed near the western Russian city of Smolensk, all of whom are believed to be dead.

Polish president Lech Kaczynski was on board the Russian-built Tupolev 154 jet when it went down in heavy fog near a military airport.

Russian authorities have already said they suspect pilot error in the crash, near Smolensk, in Western Russia.

There are reports the jet made several attempted landings before the crash.

Also on board were leading members of Poland's political elite, including the army chief of staff and the governor of the central bank.

A scan of a list of 88 passengers aboard the plane published on a Polish government website showed the names of Poland's chief of staff, General Franciszek Gagor, and Major General Bronislaw, head of operational forces.

General Tadeusz Buk, head of land forces, air force commander Andrzej Blasik and special forces chief Wojciech Potasinki, as well as navy vice-admiral Andrzej Karweta, were also on the list.

They were part of an official delegation travelling to commemorate the massacre of thousands of Polish soldiers by soviet troops during the second world war.


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To: quesney

It’s like a Tom Clancy novel.

Pro-Russian opposition takes over in Kyrgyzstan, plane carrying the Polish prez and pretty much all of their higher government goes down in Russia a few days later.

Call me suspicious....


241 posted on 04/10/2010 3:40:56 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: quesney

Well, that’s one way to stop the Star Wars missile bases.


242 posted on 04/10/2010 3:47:42 PM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: AlanD

Yeah but thats exactly how they expect people to think. Would you believe that a US president would give our ballistic missile technology to China ?


243 posted on 04/10/2010 4:55:49 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: AlanD

Its probably been pre-arranged that he would do just that. Poland is a thorn in the side of Russia and Islam, freedom loving and Christians.


244 posted on 04/10/2010 5:01:49 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: bert

Cryogenic projectile (”saw cutter” bullet) After hitting the target, the projectile disappears by process of sublimation... No trace is left but for the wound.


245 posted on 04/10/2010 5:52:02 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: quesney

Fox? Meet Henhouse. Yeesh!


246 posted on 04/10/2010 5:57:05 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: spectre

His twin brother is a member of the opposition party. My understanding, at this point, is that the deceased president was a nationalist conservative... The picture is becoming more clear.


247 posted on 04/10/2010 6:12:31 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: penelopesire

Like the Warren Commission... translation: WHITEWASH


248 posted on 04/10/2010 6:19:15 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: penelopesire
Watch for China to flex muscle in Taiwan and South Korea soon as well

You got that right...I believe Russia did do this and I truly believe Obama has already told Russia he given his ok and will look the other way as Russia moves back it to eastern Europe...

Look at what happen…..Poland has been slammed two year in a row on historical dates

First….Obama pulled the missile defense from Poland last year on of all dates September 17... the day Poland was invaded by Russia and who want the missile pulled from Poland?...Russia did...that was a message

Then just this week Obama signs the big Nuk giveaway to Russia (and does it in Prague in the Czech Republic / eastern Europe)...that was a message

Now on the anniversary of Katyn forest massacre when Russia in 39 killed off Poland's military officer ...we again have Poland leadership wipe out...

This is also a message... a loud bold message...the the same way the mob would send a message… “we can do this and there nothing you can do about it so play ball”

It was done this boldly to sent a message to the rest of eastern Europe...

We Russia can do this because your protector The US is now lead by our friend, our brother in world socialism friend, Obama, and he’s with us...and you are alone

249 posted on 04/10/2010 6:20:48 PM PDT by tophat9000 (It ain't about Black... It ain't about White...It's about a Red...Trying to take our rights!)
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To: califamily4W

Electro Magnetic Pulse... wipes out all electrical and electronics. However it requires a nuclear detonation, or so I have been told.


250 posted on 04/10/2010 6:21:51 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: TCH

Yep. From some of my reading today, it appears that Putin will not have to get his hands dirty directly in forming a new Polish government. He has his comrades already there in the shadows just waiting to take over...with the ‘suicidal’ european socialists and leftists cheering him on.

It is also pathetic the way the leftist press all over the world is so in the tank for communism and socialism.


251 posted on 04/10/2010 6:26:25 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: autumnraine
The military were newly trained Egyptian pilots returning from their training in the United States.

That's why I never put much stock into the "official" story.

252 posted on 04/10/2010 6:30:03 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: tophat9000
Our "Dear Leader" with the man killed today


253 posted on 04/10/2010 6:35:41 PM PDT by tophat9000 (It ain't about Black... It ain't about White...It's about a Red...Trying to take our rights!)
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To: autumnraine
When I said I didn't place much stock in the “official” story,I was not referring to the one you mentioned. I meant the “Allah abkar?” story——given the facts it made no sense that a Muslim pilot would deliberately crash a plane with needed highly and expensively trained military on board.
254 posted on 04/10/2010 6:35:47 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: tophat9000

OMG..you are so right with connecting the dates and the mob like tactics!

Obama is also sending our US troops to march in RED SQUARE FOR ‘VICTORY DAY” on May 9th for the first time in history! I forgot about that slap in the face until just now. Another message from Obama and his comrade Putin? I think so.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81


255 posted on 04/10/2010 6:39:09 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: autumnraine

BUT there would be similar occurrences on the ground too! You cannot control the selectivity of an EMP.


256 posted on 04/10/2010 6:41:41 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Don’t forget the President of the Central Bank.

The whole military brass and head of the economic system is gone.


257 posted on 04/10/2010 6:44:06 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“On the other hand Poland is the only
EU country to not have a recession.”

Maybe not for long...

This from my gold and silver broker. He waited until everything was confirmed before sending this out. The CFTC meeting occurred 3/25/10. Even some of the most respected names in the market are poo pooing the part about insufficient gold to meet current demands. Do with this as you wish. The “full faith and credit of the FED and the uber rich of the globe are behind sequestering this 411”. Be warned that you will be shot down as a conspiracy nut like the “Birthers” and the “Truthers”.

He is one of a growing number of people who are amassing precious metals in sufficient quantity to leave the country and live like kings south of the border when things collapse.

Subject: Scariest sign of the future I have ever read
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:23:57 -0400

http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-gold-manipulation-officially-confirmed.aspx?article=2782557110G10020&redirect=false&contributor=Eric+de+Carbonnel

This is just a part of it:

My reaction: Gold manipulation has been officially confirmed by revelations from last CFTC hearings

Amazing set of revelations

1) For the first time ever, a whistle blower, Andrew Maguire, has stepped forward citing specifics of a gold market rigging as it was occurring in real time.

2) There is no gold corresponding to the vast “gold deposits” at the major LBMA banks. During the CFTC hearings, Jeffrey Christian of CPM Group apparently informed us that the LBMA banks actually have about a hundred times more gold deposits than actual gold bullion.

3) Almost all of the trading activities on the London exchange were merely settled by paper for paper, not for physical metals as the exchange supposedly requires.

4) there are thousands of clients (Asian and Middle Eastern governments, sovereign wealth funds, etc) who think they own hundreds of billions and perhaps trillions of dollars of gold bullion, and are being charged storage fees on that fantasy bullion, but what they really own unsecured gold loans to the banks at a negative interest rate.

5) it is impossible for the London exchange to ever deliver all the gold and silver owed to the owners of contracts.

Unbelievable coincidence

1) The live television broadcast of the CFTC hearing suffered a technical failure right as Murphy was set to begin his testimony. This was corrected right after Murphy was finished.

2) At least one live voice broadcast (radio) failed during Murphy’s presentation.

3) After the hearing, Murphy was contacted by several major media outlets for more interviews. Within 24 hours, all the interviews were canceled. All of them.

4) The day after Maguire gave his radio interview, he was the victim of a hit and run collision. Somebody sped out of a side alley at top speed, smashed into Maguires car, and then tried to escape. A high-speed chase ensued, and the perpetrator was caught by police. Although the British press has reported that this might have been an assassination attempt or a threat, there has been no word from the police.

5) Shortly before somebody crashed into Maguires car, the CFTC caught on fire. This fire happened to be located in the one small basement room where gold and silver trading data and other pertinent documents were kept.

6) A few days after the CFTC caught on fire, there was an DOS (denial of service) attack on the King World website which contains the radio interview of Maguire and his emails to the CFTC.

Virtual blackout by the mainstream news media

1) Only the blogs, and almost no one in the mainstream media, are covering the revelations of the CFTC hearings.

2) At the Wall Street Journal, a search on “Gensler” (CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler would surely be included in any report) produces only one item from before the hearing. Readers of the Wall Street Journal will never hear what happened at the hearing and whether the CFTC paid any attention to them.

3) The few mainstream stories that do cover the CFTC hearings are unnaturally one sided, failing to mention anything other than opposition to any idea of position limits in metal markets

4) The media lock-down is being met by disbelief and confusion.

5) A Google News search on “Gensler” confirms the virtual blackout by the mainstream news media.

6) The medias strategy seems to be to stonewall and hope scandal goes away.

Implications

1) This is a scandal of monumental proportions. As the articles above put it:

Sub-prime crisis was peanuts before this scam.

this is a potential multi-trillion dollar fraud that could bring down the world’s financial system

It is a bombshell. This has to be dealt with, one way or the other. Bring it out into the light of day, and let the facts be known. This is either the equivalent of the fictionalized testimony on the order of the Salem Witch trials, or one of the most damning accusations of malfeasance in office against quasi-governmental agencies, and probably US officials, since Teapot Dome.

FRAUD, that is the one word which comes to any investors mind when s/he reads about the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) hearing on manipulations in bullion market by gold cartels

The world Largest Fraud: 5.5 Trillion.

The Gold and Silver Manipulation spanning decades (going back well back into 1980s) has now taken mammoth proportions, one that could bankrupt not just a few banks but entire countries along with their central banks.

2) As the significance of the CFTC hearings revelations sink in, it will create a gold rush and dollar panic, resulting in the biggest short squeeze in the history of all commodities. See: Preview of 2010’s Gold Rush And Dollar Panic http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/02/preview-of-2009s-gold-rush-and-dollar.html

3) The upward explosion in gold prices, it will result in a complete loss of confidence in the U.S. dollar.

Conclusion: Last October, I wrote about the Gold Market Reaching The Breaking Point. http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/10/gold-market-reaching-breaking-point.html

We’ll now we are there.

1) Consider this a final warning about the gold market. You are not going to get much, if any, further confirmation of gold market fraud before it is too late. I would be amazed, especially considering recent revelations, if the gold market manages to make it passed June intact.

2) If you wondering how it will all end, I believe there will be a big financial freeze. Checking accounts, money market accounts, brokerage accounts, etc... everything will become inaccessible.


258 posted on 04/10/2010 6:46:32 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: AlanD

Of course not. Such things only happen in Clancy novels. Putin’s a pussy cat.

Welcome to FR!


259 posted on 04/10/2010 6:47:55 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: penelopesire

US troops to march in RED SQUARE FOR ‘VICTORY DAY....I had not heard that.....


260 posted on 04/10/2010 6:51:47 PM PDT by tophat9000 (It ain't about Black... It ain't about White...It's about a Red...Trying to take our rights!)
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