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Only this long to figure out that the 5.56 mm M4 carbine & M16 rifle aint cutting it? You can take some satisfaction that the 7.62x39 mm rounds used in the AKs that jihadis carry are not full power rounds either, unlike the NATO 7.62x52 mm rounds fired in the M14 rifle and the M240 Medium Machine Gun. Does anyone have idea about how many M14s are still in the U.S. inventory?

M240 Medium Machine Gun




1 posted on 04/03/2010 1:03:05 PM PDT by neverdem
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awgeez


2 posted on 04/03/2010 1:04:41 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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The only M-14s still in the Army inventory are probably those in museums and with units like the Old Guard which uses them for ceremonial purposes. Most of the M-14s were probably destroyed after they were fully replaced by the M-16. Most likely new production line would need to be created to begin manufacturing them again..


3 posted on 04/03/2010 1:12:02 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: neverdem

I’m trying to imagine the accuracy of an AK-47 at 500+ meters...do the bad guys ever hit anything?

FWIW, I suspect the ranges also depend on what part of Afghanistan you are in, but 500+ meters is a LONNGGG way for an Afghan to try shooting.


4 posted on 04/03/2010 1:12:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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Send some more M-1A’s over. Heavier to carry, but good out to longer ranges.


5 posted on 04/03/2010 1:12:56 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: neverdem

But I’d rather be hit with the 7.62x39 than the 5.56 pea-shooter. Are there any Western bloc assault rifles (i.e. not machine guns) that fire the 7.26x52, besides the M14?

I remember one of the Delta operatives in Black Hawk Down in Somalia preferred the M14. We never learned the lesson from Mogadishu that 5.56 is not an acceptable round for military purposes.


6 posted on 04/03/2010 1:13:09 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: neverdem

Naturally, seeing as how our defense budget is dwarfed by that of the insurgents.


8 posted on 04/03/2010 1:15:02 PM PDT by Wolfie
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If our guys need M110s, then give them to them. $8,000 /weapon? Chickenfeed compared to Ø's spending.


9 posted on 04/03/2010 1:15:34 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: neverdem

It’s Bushs’ fault!!!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 04/03/2010 1:16:46 PM PDT by Paul46360
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M16/M4 in those valleys are useless.

McNamara still killing American troops as he roasts in hell.


12 posted on 04/03/2010 1:19:00 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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It'd be reasonable to expect it to take 3 or 4 years before we realize that the enemy is hitting us before we're hitting them, but 8+ years does seem a bit excessive.

13 posted on 04/03/2010 1:19:21 PM PDT by Riodacat (Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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There is plenty of M-1A's.

I have one and they are the same as the M-14 to the point that my M-1A came from Springfield with a military M-14 tear down manual.

20 posted on 04/03/2010 1:26:16 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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The real problem, most likely, is that our men can't shoot until they get 400 clearances. By that time the rats have scurried away!
24 posted on 04/03/2010 1:28:08 PM PDT by parthian shot (America.... Founded on God and the Constitution ! We desperately need both.)
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Here we go again....

The Army is doubling the number of 7.62mm weapons in the infantry squad, increasing soldiers’ long-range killing power in the wide-open expanses of Afghanistan.

27 posted on 04/03/2010 1:30:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog (Free Men will always be armed with the Truth.)
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I think the bigger issue are the rules of engagement that don’t allow artilery and air strikes to be called in. You shoot at us with a mortar or light arms fire, we rain down artilery fire or call in the warthogs.


28 posted on 04/03/2010 1:32:36 PM PDT by gunnut
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They just need longer barreled m16s with scope. The 556 nato round is just fine. Little more accuracy, little more velocity...that’s all that’s needed.

I’ve been saying for years they need to ditch brass cases and upgrade to high strength aluminum alloy cases and then boost up chamber pressures.

Then upgrade the recoil system with an oil filled system for really smooth shooting. Better compensators on the end of the muzzle would help too.

Bigger bullets is the wrong way to go, imo. More speed is the best solution.

BTW, 556 shoots further than 762. This article is not entirely honest.


31 posted on 04/03/2010 1:34:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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Knowing Obama, he's supplied the troops with weapons according to his desire not to allow them to protect themselves. His ROEs reflect the same mindset.


35 posted on 04/03/2010 1:38:46 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Obama's long war against America is in progress.)
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Drop a BIG BOMB and quit using small arms.

This war should have been over a long time ago.

Just drop a bomb and let God sort it out.

Does anyone else wonder if 0bama doesn’t get some kind of perverse pleasure from the deaths of our Military? Maybe it’s just me.


37 posted on 04/03/2010 1:41:06 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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Unlike in Iraq, where most shooting took place at relatively short range in urban neighborhoods, U.S. troops in Afghanistan are more often attacked from high ground with light machine guns and mortars from well beyond 300 meters...

Is it any wonder why GWB opted for a change of venue in the War on Terror?

40 posted on 04/03/2010 1:44:33 PM PDT by infidel29 (baracKARL obaMARX)
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.223 varmit round vs .308 mankiller. Not much of a contest.


41 posted on 04/03/2010 1:45:35 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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.308 there is NO substitute...
43 posted on 04/03/2010 1:47:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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