Posted on 04/01/2010 8:55:01 AM PDT by pillut48
I don’t get all of the Twitter hate. Facebook I completely understand.
Who are you on Twitter?
If the "friend "was one he just found at a gay bar I would say yes.
This article talks about a woman going to a notorious fraternity which had it's charter withdrawn.
There are consequences for stupid.
You and I do not agree. I do not believe it is reality to say you can control every circumstance.
Hmmm... didn’t say anything about “controlling a circumstance”,
but I certainly believe in STAYING OUT OF “CIRCUMSTANCES”.
>> I can conceive the mindset that says rape is a “punishment” for intoxication, but I can’t share it. Rape is not a punishment...it’s a consequence. There’s a huge difference. Responsible people act while weighing consequences. H3ll, it’s not the first time it’s happened, right???
Fair enough — then rape is not a “consequence” undeserving of sympathy.
>> Ah, the passive voice and minimization. I’m not talking about the person who’s walking home from work and gets attacked. I’m talking about the person who acts with disregard for predictable consequences, not someone whose actions were “less than ideal.”
Now who is “employing euphemisms” and “minimization”? “Disregard for predicatable consequences”? Come on. She’s a rape victim. Someone forcibly had sex with her against her will. Regardless of any stupid behaviors that led her into that situation, she is deserving of sympathy.
>> Anyone reading that sentence would be dumber for having read it.
I apologize. You haven’t much intelligence to spare? Haha. Sorry ... you walked into that.
>> We’re talking about college students. Those who came from pampered backgrounds are ill equipped for life...more so than other, admittedly, immature college students. They aren’t immortal, and they aren’t invincible. If anything, I’m sorry that lesson was driven home so brutally.
Given all you said there ... a pampered, immature, ill-equipped rape victim is still not undeserving of sympathy.
SnakeDoc
Getting drunk, going up to someone's frat house room, making out=predictable consequences.
Sorry, I'm suffering from compassion fatigue. I'm too busy feeling sorry for those that do everything right and still get "screwed" metaphorically speaking.
Those who roller skate in the street and get hit by a car, not so much.
>> Getting drunk, going up to someone’s frat house room, making out=predictable consequences. Sorry, I’m suffering from compassion fatigue. I’m too busy feeling sorry for those that do everything right and still get “screwed” metaphorically speaking. Those who roller skate in the street and get hit by a car, not so much.
Heaven forbid it is your “immature” offspring who is careless and stupid and gets raped. I’d venture a guess that you’d blame the rapist, not your own daughter.
“She should’ve known better” is not an acceptable response to a violent crime.
SnakeDoc
Employing the word "blame" reveals an adolescent mindset on your part.
>> Employing the word “blame” reveals an adolescent mindset on your part.
Employing the word “blame” with regard to a rapist is adolescent? Good grief.
SnakeDoc
I don't blame the victim, ever. I don't think the word "blame" applies. Those who think and speak in those terms betray their mindset, not mine. And if it were my daughter, I'd be supportive and protective of her...and at the appropriate time, I'd ask her not to go to places where she's at risk.
Of course, I've already had that talk with my daughter...she's been marinated in the notion that you have to protect yourself, that there are predators out there...and that when it comes to sex, guys do not have an on/off switch...just an "on" switch.
She's been taught that she is responsible for her actions, and that alcohol inhibits her ability to make good decisions...and is best consumed in places of absolute safety. If she's to be safe, she needs to be mindful of her surroundings.
Yet, you equate that as being supportive of rapists. You made a great start with your post 74(I think) but now I wonder...just how stupid are you? How is recognizing and teaching that the world is a harsh place, and people can't be automatically trusted...and many people will want to use you for the value they see in you...how is that supportive of rapists? Again, I ask, just how stupid are you?
It's an adolescent mindset that says you have to choose, that you can't recognize that the world is an ugly place, and people...especially young people...have to look out for themselves...and simultaneously hold rapists accountable for their own actions.
Grow up!!!
Audio Taping? Heck I’ve been video taping it for along time!
>> I don’t blame the victim, ever. I don’t think the word “blame” applies. Those who think and speak in those terms betray their mindset, not mine.
Of course not — you just lack sympathy for the victim becuase her imprudence lead to her rape. You don’t “blame” her ... that would be “adolescent” ... you just don’t care about her because she is just suffering the “consequences of stupid behavior”.
And I quote ...
From Post 82, in response to my statement that we should be sympathetic to rape victims, you stated ...
“Sorry...my Give-A-D@mn is busted when it comes to unintended (but totally predictable) consequences of stupid behavior.”
Talk about “adolescent” ... and add callous, self-centered, and obnoxious.
>> And if it were my daughter, I’d be supportive and protective of her...
But, for other non-daugther victims, your “give-a-damn is busted when it comes to [...] consequences of stupid behavor.” What a clown.
>> Yet, you equate that as being supportive of rapists. You made a great start with your post 74(I think) but now I wonder...just how stupid are you? How is recognizing and teaching that the world is a harsh place, and people can’t be automatically trusted...and many people will want to use you for the value they see in you...how is that supportive of rapists? Again, I ask, just how stupid are you?
Absolute nonsense. You’re a bit of a jerk, aren’t you?
Nowhere in ANY post did I EVER state or imply that precautions are a bad idea ... much less that teaching precautions to your daughter is equivalent to “being supportive of rapists”. Nowhere did I state that you or anyone else was “being supportive of rapists”. In fact, in post 74, I stated outright that taking precautions is both necessary and prudent. Reading comprehension ... learn it, love it, live it.
>> It’s an adolescent mindset that says you have to choose, that you can’t recognize that the world is an ugly place, and people...especially young people...have to look out for themselves...and simultaneously hold rapists accountable for their own actions.
Where have I failed to recognize that the “world is an ugly place” or that “people have to look out for themselves”? We weren’t speaking of whether precautions should be taken ... we were speaking of whether women who failed take precautions and HAD BEEN RAPED were deserving of sympathy.
You stated that no sympathy was warranted because their stupid behavior lead to their rape ... and your “give-a-damn” meter wasn’t tripped by stupid people being raped.
You’re wrong, callous, obnoxious and belligerent.
SnakeDoc
There is a bit of a disconnect between this post and your post 74. I think that is what has confused some people as to your views on this subject.
How so? I stated outright in Post 74 that despite feminist ridiculousness surrounding rape, conservatives should endeavor to be more sympathetic to actual rape victims.
Post 83 is simply a continuation of that thought (as that thought is the one that was quoted by the other poster) ... that imprudent behavior by a rape victim does not make her unworthy of sympathy. I continued the thought ecause of the statement (in response to my call for sympathy for actual rape victims) that he doesn’t give-a-damn about people who are suffering the consequences of stupid behavor (even if that consequence is actual rape).
If someone wasn’t raped (under the actual non-feminist definition of the term) then my call for sympathy for actual rape victims would not apply, and no sympathy is necessary. Like I said, regret does not a rape make ... but if an actual rape occurred, sympathy is warranted regardless of the imprudent behavior of the victim.
My statements were entirely consistent.
SnakeDoc
Sometimes the situation is not right.
Perhaps when you’ve endured the violent and terrifying act of rape you can enlighten us on “predictable consequences”. Drinking a beer, attending a party, and/or making out with someone is not an open invitation for rape. Again, IT IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION FOR RAPE. Did you read that? Is it sinking in? The “she totally wanted it” meme is not legitimate. There is NO EXCUSE for forcing oneself on anyone who is NOT a WILLING PARTICIPANT. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the situation, no does still mean no, a short skirt is not an invite for sex, and drinking too much does not translate to “yes, please rape me.”
To someone who has been through this, you just sound like an insensitive a**. There are a plethora of more colorful terms I would like to use to describe you and your ignorant comments...but I would rather not be banned.
So I guess if the writer went to an EI party, drinks 5 cups of jungle juice and goes to a guy’s room to do some bong hits, he is asking to be raped
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