The Ominous ‘S-Word’ – Secession

Big Government ^ | 3-31-10 | Timothy H. Lee

[kingattax]

After 230 years, are the American people coursing toward eventual divorce?

Our polarized society increasingly ponders what would happen if American conservatives and liberals simply agreed that their differences had become irreconcilable, and redivided the nation to go their separate ways.

Which side would prosper and experience an influx of migration from the other? Conversely, which side would likely become a fiscal and socio-political basket case?

Any reasonable person already knows the likely answer. One need only compare the smoldering wreckage wrought by liberal governance in such states as California or Michigan with the comparative prosperity created by conservative governance in such states as Texas or Utah.

We can also examine the past 400 years, during which immigrants abandoned Europe for an America founded upon the fundamental principles of limited government and individual freedom.

[Non-Sequitur]

If you understand the history of Nullification you would not agree with your own statement above?

If you understood the history of the Southern rebellion you would agree with it.

[GonzoGOP]

The biggest question is who broke away, and what hardware did they take with them. In CWI most of the military equipment in the states fell into the hands of the rebels. And it doesn't necessarily follow logical patterns. Texas while large and well financed, and with lots of potential infantry, would find its position hard to defend with no real navy, limited air power, Federal forces being brought in overland and from the Gulf, and illegals rebelling at home. Now Montana, North Dakota and Wyoming would appear to have little chance. They have small populations, a poor geographic position and lack the resources to buy help. On the other hand they have something like 400 LGM-30s scattered around their states and if even a small number fall into rebel hands nobody is going to force them back into the union.

[ScreamingFist]

And when the freedom loving women of Richmond protested the high cost of food, Davis threatened to turn the troops out on them. Link

Yes. "threatened to turn". Civil war is the worst thing that can happen.....but please NS, don't pretend that the North was some kind of great saviors. I have read your posts, you are not history ignorant.

[Non-Sequitur]

Yes. "threatened to turn". Civil war is the worst thing that can happen.....but please NS, don't pretend that the North was some kind of great saviors. I have read your posts, you are not history ignorant.

And please don't pretend that the confederate government under Davis was some sort of small government nirvana or that it held some sort of moral high ground.

[southernsunshine]

“The war was not about slavery from the Northern point of view. Only the Southern one”. Your words (since I can’t get italics to work I’ll do it this way).
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If you understand the history of Nullification you would not agree with your own statement above? My words.

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If you understood the history of the Southern rebellion you would agree with it. Your Words

I understand the history of Southern rebellion/Northern agression, it’s known as the Civil War. From the looks of the above statements it appears that in toying with others you have finally confused yourself.

I agree with a poster upthread, you aren’t ignorant of history.

Now, will you please quit having so much fun with us and tell me how to make the italics on my pc work again?!?!?

[rockrr]

I can't find my link to the HTML sandbox, but the way to format italics is to use the "<" carat brackets on either side of an "i" to invoke the portion to be italicized and then to input the carats again, only this time use a "/i" to close the format.

For example: If I want to italicize the text "this is too hard" I would print <.i.> (without the periods)"this is too hard" and then <./i.>

Remove the periods and you get "this is too hard"

If you get stuck you can usually look for the kind of formatting you want to emulate and highlight it. Then right click on the highlighted text and select "View Selection Source". A window will pop up when that text displayed complete with the "invisible" HTML formatting.

Good luck!

[southernsunshine]

THANK YOU!!! Your kindness is greatly appreciated.

I am but a lightweight among many superior minds here. Never had trouble getting italics to work until posting on FR. Felt totally inadequate not being able to figure out why it wouldn’t work.

[ohioman]

Non-sequiter is a long time hater of the South on FR. I bet it hates SEC football too.

[Non-Sequitur]

I understand the history of Southern rebellion/Northern agression, it’s known as the Civil War.

Well, obviously not if that's the terminology you use.

Now, will you please quit having so much fun with us and tell me how to make the italics on my pc work again?!?!?

Are you using the HTML tabs? To turn italics on you just preceed the words with < i>. To turn it off you enter </i>. So typing in < i> This is a test </i> will result in This is a test.

They have an HTML boot camp thread around here somewhere.

[Non-Sequitur]

Non-sequiter is a long time hater of the South on FR.

If 'long time hater of the South' means not swallowing confederate myth then I plead guilty. If you mean I actually hate the south and everything about it, then it only seems that way to people like you who hate the north and everything to do with us.

[Non-Sequitur]

Found it HTML Sandbox

[ohioman]

Quite silly reply. I live in freakin Ohio and do not hate the North at all. There’s quite a few good folks up here. You are the one who shows obvious dislike for all things Southern. Where I see t that both sides had their good and bad points.

[desertfreedom765]

No I don’t hate the South. There is much to admire in Southern culture.

If our leadership class keeps this country on its present course it will not end well. It would be very ironic if the old Confederate states ended up like the East Roman empire (Byzantine), which outlasted the Roman empire by a thousand years.

In any list of great Americans, the South would be well represented. Probably George Washington is #1. General Lee is the most brilliant General ever produced in this Hemisphere and would also be on the list.

However I absolutely detest slavery in all its forms. The idea the one human should control or own another human is pure evil.

In that regard the South was very much on the wrong side of history, and I pointed that out.

No one has ever called me PC or a liberal. Had a good chuckle over that one.

[Non-Sequitur]

I live in freakin Ohio and do not hate the North at all.

And yet through some psychic power of your own you have no problems saying I hate the South. And the only reason I can imagine is because I don't accept all the myths you promote about the Southern rebellion. I've seen you cheer on the rebels and all that they did. So come on. Fess up. You really hate the North, don't you? Deep down?

[ohioman]

I haven’t perpetrated any myths. I just refuse to be ashamed of my ancestors who fought on either side - North or South. There was great honor on both sides. Your comments serve to rip the Honor from those from the South.

BTW - We do not need secession now. We need revolution to wipe the country clean of this leftist scum.

[Non-Sequitur]

For example FR is a free association. You can leave any time. You don't need to justify why.

However if you try to leave and take a couple of Jim Robinson's servers with you then he might have an issue. When the Southern states left they walked out with every bit of government property they could get their hands on and repudiated responsibility for debt built up and obligations entered into by the country as a whole while they were a part, leaving the remaining states to bear the burden and suffer the loss. Don't you think they deserved a say in the matter before being screwed over?

Oh, and my head didn't explode.

[Non-Sequitur]

Your comments serve to rip the Honor from those from the South.

How exactly? Please tell me, I'd really like to know. How does the truth rip the honor from anyone?

[ohioman]

The truth. Now that’s funny. By your “truth” there is nothing good in the South. Do us a favor and quit pissing on these threads.

[Non-Sequitur]

The truth. Now that’s funny. By your “truth” there is nothing good in the South. Do us a favor and quit pissing on these threads.

Answer the question. How exactly am I ripping the honor from those from the South? You can answer it, can't you?

[ohioman]

I will give a little ground in the sense that slavery was the key issue. However, it was not the only issue. You always pop up on these threads with nothing but antagonism for Southerners. You are similar, but not as bad, as whiskeypapa who use to pop up on FR claiming his desire that they should have hanged all of the Southern leadership. While slavery was a detestable institution, the South did fight with bravery and honor. You deny every bit of that. I have not once seen a positive depiction of any Southerners in your posts. In fact I think Lincoln was more honorable in his words and deeds at the end of the war than most of the haters of the South I read about today. He was against the extreme left policies of the radical Republicans at the time, who would have kept the South in a state of guerilla war for years to come. In the end our country was stronger because it remained together. However, Southerns have every right to proud of their ancestors just like Northerners. The problem today is the radicals on the left. They want a drastic change in society that some of will not stand for. We even have a better cause this time.