Democrats fire on Ft. Sumter

One News Now ^ | 3/22/2010 | Peter Heck

[Between the Lines]

When the one time pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak was stammering through his bizarre press conference announcing that he and his cohorts would support ObamaCare, a friend texted me, "That's all she wrote." I fired back, "Hardly."

Here's why: if I asked you to name a famous battle of the American Civil War, what would you say? Most would name Gettysburg, some might mention Bull Run, Antietam, Shiloh, or even Sherman's March to the Sea. But left off most everyone's list would be the battle that started it all...the firing on Fort Sumter. That's primarily due to the fact that though it was the sparking event, the skirmish paled in comparison to the back-and-forth drama that would unfold over the next half a decade.

What happened Sunday in the House of Representatives was merely the opening skirmish of a coming war over not just healthcare in America, but abortion, states' rights, and the Constitution itself.

In the days leading up to the vote, several Democrats on Capitol Hill were heard remarking that they just wanted to get this vote behind them and move on with other business. That might have been possible if they would have voted to kill this unconstitutional monstrosity that is now poised to obliterate state economies. But they didn't. Instead, they fired on Fort Sumter.

So where will we see the next offensive in this unfolding war? Most likely the federal courts will take center stage as the embittered states fight back against the betrayal of their sovereignty and the shattering of their budgets.

[Terry Mross]

I take back my invitation. You will not be welcomed. Stay up there in the land of commies. And remember, the repubicans of that day are the democrats of today.

And one other thing, the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier. Does that get your dander up?

[kevkrom]

But I doubt the federal courts will do much about it, just like they didn't do anything about CFR.

Hate to break it to you, but they did do something about CFR... that was the whole bone of contention when Obama insulted the members of the Court to their faces at the SotU address.

[devere]

Good article.

[Tallguy]

And remember, the repubicans of that day are the democrats of today.

This Yankee says, "Ya got that right!"

[rhombus]

OK, since we’ve gone down the Civil War path yet again... where in the Constitution is the right of secession? Many sons of the South have assured me “it’s in there” or “it was in there”.... Where? Is it there or not? Or is it one of those rights like abortion that isn’t there either? I understand the 10th amendment but that ain’t secession. And if secession’s not in the Constitution, should it have been there and why didn’t the founders create an “escape clause”?

Remember, son of the South and tehn President George Washington put down Shay’s rebellion in the North.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I take back my invitation. You will not be welcomed. Stay up there in the land of commies.

That's going to be hard to do, seeing as how I'm Southern born and bred and descended from noble Southern Unionists and Republicans (like many other Southerners).

And remember, the repubicans of that day are the democrats of today.

How can you remember something that ain't true? And you neglected to explain how the Fugitive Slave Law contributed to states' rights.

And one other thing, the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier. Does that get your dander up?

Considering that the assassination of Lincoln led directly to Radical Reconstruction, I suppose you could say that.

[dmz]

wholesale and unmitigated genocide

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You are using the word genocide inappropriately, IMO. Where is the wanton and directed slaughter of the people? It isn’t there, and that is the hallmark of genocide.

[Between the Lines]

Another article comparing the healthcare vote to Ft. Sumter:

The Fort Sumter Healthcare Vote

[William Tell]

Terry Mross said: "And one other thing, the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head. "

Did the evil of slavery play any part in the conflict? Was that not the "abortion" of its time?

Since slavery was Constitutional prior to the Thirteenth Amendment, it should come as no surprise that only extra-Constitutional action could bring an end to it.

If all fifty states supported abortion as a right and the federal government insisted that it was murder, which side would you be on?

[Ditto]

And one other thing, the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier. Does that get your dander up?

No, it does not get my dander up. It just convinces me that you are an idiot.

Does that get your dander up?

[No Truce With Kings]

“Destroy the enemy’s means to wage war.”

Well, if passing the Health Scare Bill is Ft Sumpter, the best way to destroy the enemy’s means to wage war is to have the states introduce an amendment to the Constitution repealing the 16th Amendment (income tax).

Also, to carry the analogy further, Island #10, Ft Henry and Ft. Donaldson will be the November elections for state legislatures. Redistricting is done by the legislatures in 2011, so controlling those bodies is the key to controlling redistricting for the next decade.

[Between the Lines]

And one other thing, the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier. Does that get your dander up?

The assassination of Lincoln after the war did nothing for the Southern cause and only insured that the radical Republicans would have their way in punishing the south during reconstruction which Lincoln opposed.

[rhombus]

Good plan. Right now I hear too much concern about finding a celebrity for President in 2012. First things, first.

[dmz]

the best thing that happened to America at that time was the hole put in Lincoln’s head.

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OK. How so? What changed in the former Confederacy for the better as a result of Lincoln’s assassination?

I’d be very interested in your take on that question.

[Tublecane]

“But I doubt the federal courts will do much about it, just like they didn’t do anything about CFR.”

Actually, they have done a little something. Took them a while.

[Lee'sGhost]

“Actually it was the ratification of the Constitution in 1787-88.”

Which wouldn’t have been ratified at all had it excluded slavery...which makes your point, well, pointless.

[Tublecane]

“wholesale and unmitigated genocide”

That’s an unmitigated exaggeration. Surely, he decided to fight civilians instead of the opposing army (because civilians are less likely to shoot back). But he didn’t intend to kill all of them, hence it’s wasn’t genocide.

[redhead]

Ping!

[philman_36]

Instead, they fired on Fort Sumter.
This is a bad comparison as the firing on Fort Sumter was a direct response to actions first taken by the federal government. A new tax (the aptly named Tariff of Abominations) was passed in Congress that would've seriously damaged the Southern States economically.

Abraham Lincoln Endorses Permanent Slavery Amendment
But, because the Southern States left the Union to avoid Lincoln's newly passed 40% import tax (see below) and not to protect slavery, few experts expect the South to return.
Snip...Therefore, if there is to be a war, observers are predicting that Lincoln will start the war by invading Charleston Harbor with warships to hold Fort Sumter, a tax collection fort.

John C. Calhoun: He Started the Civil War
Congress responded to the nullification by drafting the Force Bill, which authorized the president to use military power to compel South Carolina to comply with the tariff.
Yes, Virginia, the Civil War was over taxes despite what others may tell you.

The scenario now, Mr. Heck, is Congress hunkering down inside the tax collection fort waiting to be fired upon.

[jessduntno]

"Where is the wanton and directed slaughter of the people? It isn’t there, and that is the hallmark of genocide."

Sherman’s goal, as he stated, was to commit genocide against the people of Georgia. He was not met by any serious military resistance - there was none - other than a few cavalry skirmishes. It was almost entirely a campaign of death and destruction of civilians and their property.