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So What Does the ObamaCare Bill Actually Say? (VANITY)
3-22-10 | teacher317

Posted on 03/21/2010 10:17:38 PM PDT by Teacher317

Just looking around to see what is actually in the thousands of "historic" pages that were passed tonight.


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KEYWORDS: chat; obamacare; vanity
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Post the more "interesting" sections, and their probable results and unintended consequences
1 posted on 03/21/2010 10:17:38 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Doom?


2 posted on 03/21/2010 10:19:10 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Teacher317

Nobody knows. Remember the Democrat Pelosi said it would have to be passed so we could find out what’s in it.

Liberals certainly place a lot of trust in their kings and queens.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 10:22:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: Teacher317

I’m not sure you want to know. *sigh* I am absolutely sick.

A local CPA studied the bill and was interviewed on TV. He said that people with an income like my husband’s and I would face insurance fees of $12,000 per year! I have a very good plan ~ at least we both think so ~ and it’s running $4800 per year for the 2 of us - 1 50, 1 55. I’m wondering how many other people’s insurance we’ll be subsidizing. Plus employers won’t give insurance any more because the fine for not doing it is somewhere around $750!

It’s nuts and I’m wondering if all these frickin’ idiots that voted for zer0 are happy now. They all assume they’re getting insurance tomorrow just like they thought they’d never have to pay their mortgages and things. We just flushed this country down the toilet. Next is amnesty for 50 million illegals or however many are really here.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 10:23:40 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: El Sordo
I have called my congress cock roaches so many times asking what this bill will cover that they are voting on... like will it cover glasses, durable medical equipment, prescription, dentures, hearing aids, nursing care,alcoholic abuse, substance abuse. specialist care, .. and on and on.. but no body could tell me what it covers...always got the excuse it was still in committee or some BS.. Does any one here know?
5 posted on 03/21/2010 10:23:49 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: Teacher317

I saved this from somewhere......

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=903496 ^
Posted on Fri Jul 24 2009 18:12:23 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by CMS
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

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BTY: newsflash..If Obamacare becomes law, about 30 percent of the primary-care doctors in America will consider leaving the medical profession


6 posted on 03/21/2010 10:25:06 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Teacher317

It says “Screw You, America!”


7 posted on 03/21/2010 10:27:21 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (MELT THE PHONE LINES AGAINST OBAMACARE NOW!!!!)
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To: mowowie

Health bill problems ping


8 posted on 03/21/2010 10:28:38 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Teacher317

Whoops, Didn’t realize that list was from the end of last July.

Who knows what it is now.


9 posted on 03/21/2010 10:28:39 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie

Ping for later.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 10:28:48 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: mowowie
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

AMA = Rockefeller

11 posted on 03/21/2010 10:29:19 PM PDT by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: mowowie

Thanks... but that’s from back in July. I’d like to know what was actually just passed... if anyone actually knows!!


12 posted on 03/21/2010 10:29:30 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: JoanneSD

Honestly Joanne, I don’t know if THEY know.


13 posted on 03/21/2010 10:29:45 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: Teacher317

It sickens me that they keep throwing around the word “historic”. In my opinion, just because something might be called that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. WWII was historic. Sept. 11th was historic.


14 posted on 03/21/2010 10:33:20 PM PDT by mwjn
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To: mowowie
IOW, the Post Office will be running our HC.
15 posted on 03/21/2010 10:36:33 PM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Teacher317

It says “All you doctors belong to US!”


16 posted on 03/21/2010 10:43:40 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Teacher317

As a taxpaying peasant, what makes you think you have the right to know what’s in this bill? Do what you’re told and shut your mouth!


17 posted on 03/21/2010 10:47:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: mwjn

The election of Obama was historic.


18 posted on 03/21/2010 11:07:53 PM PDT by beckysueb (January 20, 2013. When Obama becomes just a skidmark on the panties of American history.)
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To: Teacher317
It says that if your elderly and have a cronic illness; you get the "Blue" pill instead of the surgery.

And if you are a welfare queen; you get everything I have been paying for myself, and more.

IF your a pregnant woman, single and don't want the baby; your taken care of at the tax payer's cost.

IF your a member of congress, then your exempt because the taxpayers have to keep your sorry butt up anyways.

And if your an actual producer of any good or service in this country, your going to be paying even more for everthing else.

Pretty HISTORIC huh?

19 posted on 03/21/2010 11:13:41 PM PDT by Hillbilly ONE (I told you that Dems were closet Communists.)
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To: Hillbilly ONE

I’m trying to figure out how to masquerade as an illegal alien. It seems to me they get everything free and I get my insurance costs hiked to the sky.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 11:26:02 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Light up the Planet! Use lots of power during "Earth Hour;" Sat. March 27, 8:30 PM.)
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