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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: TornadoAlley3

Executive Order Details Possibly Leaked
By: David Dayen Sunday March 21, 2010 9:53 am Tweet30 Share7

K-Lo thinks she has an early copy of that executive order (which she writes as “The Executiive Order” – and she’s the editor-in-chief of National Review) on abortion funding. There’s no way to authenticate this, but it sounds like a reiteration of the Hyde Amendment, and in particular applies it to community health centers. This could potentially tie up some Planned Parenthood clinics, although that’s somewhat unclear.

NRO writes this off as non-binding and useless. Others say it codifies Hyde, but I don’t read it this way. It just restates what’s already in the bill, and applies Hyde to the community health centers. That doesn’t bring Hyde into law, necessarily, because if the amendment isn’t re-upped in an appropriations bill, there’s nothing to which to apply it.

For the purposes of this legislation, if this satisfies Stupak and his bloc the drama ends, because Pelosi and the team will have the votes to pass.

UPDATE: MSNBC reporting Stupak’s a yes. Again, that would be the ballgame, because he’d bring most if not all of his bloc with him.

The language on the flip:

Proposed Executive Order Language

1. The Executive Order directs that the Hyde language found in sections 507 and 508 of the Labor HHH Appropriations Bill shall apply to the HR 3590.

SEC. 507.

(a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion.

(b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion.

(c) The term ‘‘health benefits coverage’’ means the package of services covered by a managed care provider or organization pursuant to a contract or other arrangement.

SEC. 508.

(a) The limitations established in the preceding section shall not apply to an abortion —

(1) if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or

(2) in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed.

(b) Nothing in the preceding section shall be construed as prohibiting the expenditure by a State, locality, entity, or private person of State, local, or private funds (other than a State’s or locality’s contribution to Medicaid matching funds.)

(c) Nothing in the preceding section shall be construed as restricting the ability of any managed care provider from offering abortion coverage or the ability of a State or locality to contract separately with such a provider for such coverage with State funds (other than a State’s or locality’s contribution of Medicaid matching funds.)

2. Under this Act, Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds under section 10503 of the Community Health Centers.

SEC. 10503. COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS AND THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CORPS FUND. Pages 2355-2357 of H.R. 3590.

3. Under this Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the section 1303 of the HR 3590.

SEC. 1303. SPECIAL RULES. Pages 2069-2079 of H.R. 3590.

4. Under this Act, the Accommodation of Conscious is recognized.

(a) NONDISCRIMINATION.—A Federal agency or program, and any State or local government that receives Federal financial assistance under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act), may not—

(1) subject any individual or institutional health care entity to discrimination; or

(2) require any health plan created or regulated under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) to subject any individual or institutional health care entity to discrimination,

on the basis that the health care entity does not provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

(b) DEFINITION.—In this section, the term ‘‘healthcare entity’’ includes an individual physician or other health care professional, a hospital, a provider-sponsored organization, a health maintenance organization, a health insurance plan, or any other kind of health care facility, organization, or plan.

(c) ADMINISTRATION.—The Office for Civil Rights of the Department of Health and Human Services is designated to receive complaints of discrimination based on this section, and coordinate the investigation of such complaints.

5. Addition Conscious Provisions

“(1) Nothing in this Act shall require an otherwise qualified health plan, including an Exchange-participating plan, to cover any items or services to which the issuer, plan sponsor, or purchaser has a moral or religious objection, provided the plan is at least actuarially equivalent to a qualified health plan that covers the essential health benefits.

“(2) If a health plan is permitted not to cover items or services under paragraph (1), then the issuer, plan sponsor, or purchaser shall not be required to include such items or services in such plan as a condition of (A) being eligible for a premium tax credit or cost-sharing reduction, or (B) avoiding any assessable payment or any other tax, assessment or penalty under this Act.

“(3) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a qualified health plan, including an Exchange-participating plan, from contracting with an individual or institutional health care provider that declines to provide, participate in, or refer for an item or service to which the provider has a moral or religious objection.

“(4) Nothing in this Subsection shall be construed to deny, alter, or modify any right or duty any person may have under state or local law, or under federal laws other than this Act.”

“(5) Nothing in this Subsection shall be construed to authorize a health plan to deny coverage for all medical care, or for life-preserving care, to an individual based on a view that treats extending the life or preserving the health of the individual as of lower value than extending the life or preserving the health of others because of the individual’s disability or other characteristic.”


2,201 posted on 03/21/2010 10:54:19 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: illiac

I’ll have to check in on Vodka pundit to see if he’s already hitting the bottle. I think he really does drink and blog -— he’s pretty funny.


2,202 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:02 AM PDT by gopwhit
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To: gopwhit

NEVER too early - it’s five o’clock somewhere!
Cheers...


2,203 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:13 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: jenk

“We are paying too much attention to Stupak.”

Perhaps, but as Stupak goes, so goes probably 5 or 7 other votes...

Anyone have the other names?


2,204 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:13 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Miss Didi

Keep trying. Just got through. My state and if I support or oppose. Please keep calling, especially if you are from Michigan.


2,205 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:20 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: gopwhit

Good choice - LOL!


2,206 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:33 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: HonestConservative
Fox news has always done this in the last hour. They convince people to watch with some conservative views but when push comes to shove..they always side with big government during the crucial times. I have called them the right wing sheeple herders. O’Reilly is the biggest culprit and the day and weekend people are big government drones.
2,207 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: rep-always
rep -

I know that we are not alone. We all need to be smart about how to proceed.

2,208 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:38 AM PDT by zzeeman (Fighting to not be the amongst the last generation to enjoy freedom & liberty!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

That is 4 hrs old...shelf life expires on anything over a half hour in this case...to fluid.


2,209 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:59 AM PDT by Dog
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To: gopwhit
As the saying goes...


2,210 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:07 AM PDT by Textide
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To: matginzac

5 O’clock ?

is that a rule or something ?


2,211 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:29 AM PDT by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Never on my watch
OMG what a pic. Makes you cry. .

We're taking our Country back, One Way or Another. . .

2,212 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:41 AM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: gopwhit
I’m wondering if it’s too early to make a martini.

Funny. I just wondered how early would be 'too early' to start drinking myself.

2,213 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:41 AM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: SeattleBruce

unruly..couldnt hear..people pissed


2,214 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rep-always
"I think about George Washington and all the founders. "

In my prayers, I've also included George Washington, and asked him to intercede if he can.

Last winter, I had an urge to go to Washington Memorial Chapel in Valley Forge. No particular reason - my heart said go and pray. I did. I prayed under the stained glass window portraying General Washington in prayer, at the base of the carillon tower. I asked him to protect our beloved nation. I left shortly after, and within 10 minutes I started hearing reports on the radio about a plane down in the Hudson River. It was the miracle on the Hudson. The whole episode gave me shivers down my spine.

Yesterday, as I was driving I again had the impulse to call on General Washington, so I've been reaching out to him in prayer. I can't explain it, I just go with it. We need all the help we can get.

2,215 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:57 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: SE Mom

I just saw a promo for Geraldo’s show and the voice over said that they would have a recap of the big “wieners” and losers today on the health care bill. lol


2,216 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:59 AM PDT by Floratina
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To: Dog

2,217 posted on 03/21/2010 10:57:07 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I hope they all were booing and had their thumbs pointed down.


2,218 posted on 03/21/2010 10:57:14 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: gopwhit

Protesters in the gallery...


2,219 posted on 03/21/2010 10:57:24 AM PDT by sissyjane (He had a dream. We got a nightmare!)
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To: rep-always; Velveeta

I got through...and I kept talking and the kid was afraid to hang up. I was even crying for dramatic effect.


2,220 posted on 03/21/2010 10:57:29 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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