House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it (Slaughter Rule in serious play)

Washington Post ^ | Tuesday, March 16, 2010 | Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane

[Bigtigermike]

After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might instead attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.

Instead, Pelosi (D-Calif.) would rely on a procedural sleight of hand: The House would instead vote on a more popular measure that presumes the health-care bill has passed the chamber.

The tactic -- known as a "self-executing rule" or a "deem and pass" -- has been commonly used, although never to pass legislation as momentous as the $875 billion health-care bill. It is one of three options that Pelosi said she is considering for a late-week House vote, but she added that she prefers it because it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the Senate bill.

"It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday. "But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

Republicans quickly condemned the strategy, framing it as an effort to avoid responsibility for passing the Senate measure, and some suggested that Pelosi's plan for a self-executing rule would be unconstitutional.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031503742_pf.html

[Bigtigermike]

Pelosi said Monday that House Democrats have yet to decide how to approach the vote. But she added that any strategy involving a separate vote on the Senate bill "isn't too popular," and aides said House leaders are likely to bow to the wishes of their rank-and-file.

Instead, under the self-executing rule, the House would vote on a package of fixes to the Senate bill; under the House rule for that vote, passage would signify that lawmakers "deem" the Senate bill to be passed.

Conservatives said that would run afoul of the Constitution, pointing to a 1998 Supreme Court ruling that said each house of Congress must approve the same text of a bill before it can become law. A self-executing rule sidesteps that requirement, former federal appellate judge Michael McConnell argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

[Old Texan]

Then Judge Roberts and Alito can “deem” it unconstutional.
They will get the last laugh, you watch.

[bigbob]

If they try it, self-execution will automatically follow, it just make take until November for the effect to become evident.

[Kartographer]

Is it time yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b3Q89FZoY0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fuser%2FTheChannelOfLiberty&feature=player_profilepage

[VRWC For Truth]

RICO. Enjoy your jail cells Democrats.

[pyx]

Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might instead attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.

Taxation without representation ?

[RC one]

[sierrahome]

Sounds like they don’t have the votes.

[ak267]

Trnaslation: She doesn’t have the votes!!!

[Truth is a Weapon]

I am no lawyer. But it seems to me that attaching another bill to fix the Senate Bill would functionally be the same as passing a bill with amendments. That would make the two bills passed to fail the identical bill test. The whole package would then have to be passed by the Senate before the President could sign it. I would think that House and Senate Republicans would file suit and ask for a Supreme Court ruling on the matter.

[Tzimisce]

So this is how our republic dies?

I was wrong I thought it would be through the courts...

[TheConservativeParty]

They’re all traitors.
May they rot in hell.

[AmericanInTokyo]

They should say, “OK, enough of this crap. Let’s vote NOW! First thing MONDAY MORNING.” Force their freaking hands.

[truthandlife]

They don’t have the votes and this thing is going down in defeat. Obama and the Left thinks by saying this thing is a done thing this week will pressure lawmakers into getting this done.

There is more people against this bill than ever before. The Slaughter Rule is just a threat and the Dems know they might as well resign if they try this.

Continue the pressure because Obama will not let up but this bill is going down in defeat.

You will start hearing about Obama’s resignation after the November election. You will start hearing how tough this has been on his health and his family and will resign.

The Dems thought that Clinton was their worst nightmare but this guy will be responsible for the Dems losing it all.

God has a funny sense of humor and by the way He answers His people’s prayers.

We need to continue to pray and fight!

[TexasFreeper2009]

exactly, this is going to the USSC for sure, and I am SO glad the zero has pissed off and alienated them recently :P

[AmericanInTokyo]

Exactly. Everyone call TEN FRIENDS and get them mobilized, to call TEN OF THEIR FRIENDS and burn the phone lines up and show up in person to confront these “people”.

[Rome2000]

NANCY PELOSI WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE MARXIST “CONGRESSIONAL PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS”

THE CPC MUST BE DESTROYED AS A LEGITIMATE ABOVE GROUND CAUCUS OPERATING FREELY ON CAPITAL HILL AND ITS TRAITOROUS MEMBERS CALLED TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR ACTIONS

The following members of Congress are Marxists and terrorist coddlers who have rebranded themselves as “Progressives” in an attempt to hide their agenda

Nancy Pelosi was one of the original members of the “Congressional Progressive Caucus” and only left when she was named Minority Leader.

She is now Speaker of the House and 2 heartbeats away from President of the United States.

All members are members of the Democratic Party or caucus with the Democratic Party. There are currently 82 total declared Progressives including 79 voting Representatives, 2 non-voting Delegates, and 1 Senator.

The “Congressional Progressive Caucus”

[edit] Arizona

* Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
* Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7, Tucson) - Co-Chair

[edit] California

* Lynn Woolsey (CA-6, Santa Rosa) - Co-Chair
* George Miller (CA-7, Richmond) - Chairman, House Education and Labor Committee
* Barbara Lee (CA-9, Oakland) - Chairwoman, Congressional Black Caucus
* Pete Stark (CA-13, Fremont)
* Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
* Sam Farr (CA-17, Monterey)
* Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles) - Chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee
* Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
* Judy Chu (CA-32, El Monte)
* Diane Watson (CA-33, Los Angeles)
* Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
* Maxine Waters (CA-35, Inglewood)
* Laura Richardson (CA-37, Long Beach)
* Linda Sanchez (CA-39, Lakewood)
* Bob Filner (CA-51, San Diego) - Chairman, House Veterans Affairs Committee

[edit] Colorado

* Jared Polis (CO-02, Boulder)

[edit] Connecticut

* Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)

[edit] Florida

* Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
* Alan Grayson (FL-8, Orlando)
* Robert Wexler (FL-19, Boca Raton)
* Alcee Hastings (FL-23, Fort Lauderdale)

[edit] Georgia

* Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
* John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)

[edit] Hawaii

* Neil Abercrombie (HI-1, Honolulu)
* Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)

[edit] Illinois

* Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
* Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2, Chicago Heights)
* Luis Gutierrez (IL-4, Chicago)
* Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
* Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago)
* Phil Hare (IL-17, Rock Island)

[edit] Indiana

* André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)

[edit] Iowa

* Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)

[edit] Maine

* Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)

[edit] Maryland

* Donna Edwards (MD-4, Fort Washington)
* Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)

[edit] Massachusetts

* John Olver (MA-1, Amherst)
* Jim McGovern (MA-3, Worcester)
* Barney Frank (MA-4, Newton) - Chairman, House Financial Services Committee
* John Tierney (MA-6, Salem)
* Ed Markey (MA-7, Malden)
* Mike Capuano (MA-8, Boston)

[edit] Michigan

* Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13, Detroit)
* John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit) - Chairman, House Judiciary Committee

[edit] Minnesota

* Keith Ellison (MN-5, Minneapolis)

[edit] Mississippi

* Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton) - Chairman, House Homeland Security Committee

[edit] Missouri

* William Lacy Clay, Jr. (MO-1, St. Louis)
* Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5, Kansas City)

[edit] New Jersey

* Frank Pallone (NJ-06)
* Donald Payne (NJ-10, Newark)

[edit] New Mexico

* Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)

[edit] New York

* Jerry Nadler (NY-8, Manhattan)
* Yvette Clarke (NY-11, Brooklyn)
* Nydia Velazquez (NY-12, Brooklyn) - Chairwoman, House Small Business Committee
* Carolyn Maloney (NY-14, Manhattan)
* Charles Rangel (NY-15, Harlem) - Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
* Jose Serrano (NY-16, Bronx)
* John Hall (NY-19, Dover Plains)
* Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
* Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester) - Chairwoman, House Rules Committee
* Eric Massa (NY-29, Corning)

[edit] North Carolina

* Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)

[edit] Ohio

* Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
* Dennis Kucinich (OH-10, Cleveland)
* Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)

[edit] Oregon

* Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
* Peter DeFazio (OR-4, Eugene)

[edit] Pennsylvania

* Bob Brady (PA-1, Philadelphia) - Chairman, House Administration Committee
* Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)

[edit] Tennessee

* Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)

[edit] Texas

* Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18, Houston)
* Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)

[edit] Virginia

* Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)

[edit] Vermont

* Peter Welch (VT-At Large)

[edit] Washington

* Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)

[edit] Wisconsin

* Tammy Baldwin (WI-2, Madison)
* Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)

[edit] Non-voting

* Donna M. Christensen (Virgin Islands)
* Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)

[edit] Senate member

* Bernie Sanders (Vermont)

[edit] Former members

* Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Elected to Senate
* Julia Carson (IN-07) - Died in December 2007
* Lane Evans (IL-17) - Retired from Congress
* Cynthia McKinney (GA-4) - Lost Congressional seat to current caucus member Hank Johnson
* Major Owens (NY-11) - Retired from Congress
* Nancy Pelosi (CA-8) - Left Caucus when Elected House Minority Leader
* Hilda Solis (CA-32) - Became Secretary of Labor in 2009
* Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11) - Died in 2008
* Tom Udall (NM Senate)
* Paul Wellstone (MN Senate) - Died in plane crash in 2002

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was established in 1991 by five members of the United States House of Representatives: Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Then-Representative Bernie Sanders was the convener and first. The founding members were concerned about the economic hardship imposed by the deepening recession, the growing inequality brought about by the timidity of the Democratic Party response at the time.

Additional House representatives joined soon, including Major Owens (D-NY), Nydia Velazquez (D-NY), David Bonior (D-MI), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Patsy Mink (D-HI), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA), John Olver (D-MA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), and Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

[ExTexasRedhead]

Madoff could use some cell mates.

[Inyo-Mono]

They are going to try to pass this no matter what. They don’t care about the economy, unemployment, war, etc., all they care about is passing this republic killing “Health” bill.

[Talisker]

The House would instead vote on a more popular measure that presumes the health-care bill has passed the chamber.

If that stupid, vicious hag actually forces this through, America will finally be forced to learn about the legal and judicial mechanisms of Federal "presumption" - and it's about damn time.

Because when they do, the entire collectivist construction will be torn down and utterly destroyed, once and for all.

The Rats are about to learn what the phrase "pyrrhic victory" means - and that America is actually, really protected by God.