Catholic Archbishop Warns About Dishonest Pro-Obamacare Leftist Groups Posing as Catholics

gatewaypundit ^ | 3-15 2010 | gatewaypundit

[ncalburt]

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/catholic-archbishop-warns-about-dishonest-pro-obamacare-leftist-groups-posing-as-catholics/

[ncalburt]

Can we stop POSTING THE LIFE NEWS STORY ABOUT A PHONY OBAMA FRONT GROUP NOW !

[johniegrad]

The Catholic Hospital Association is not an Obama front group. It is the association representing Catholic hospitals.

Very unfoutnately, they have adopted the position of supporting health care "reform" in the current form being considered by Congress.

This means that they are essentially unopposed to federal funding for abortion and abolition of conscience protection for Catholic health care workers.

This is a fairly influential group whose positions are now opposed to Catholic teaching.

[johniegrad]

This thread discusses this in greater detail. I posted opposing opinions and a resolution by the Catholic Medical Association on it. Rather than repeat it here, please follow the link.

[cripplecreek]

Anyone supporting pretty much any Obama agenda should be seen as pro marxist and nothing more.

[Tarpon]

Anyone else find it strange that the president of all the people would lobby so hard for his race preferences in the death care bill?

Now what would have happened if Bush did this about the Iraq war. Would the lame stream lap dogs just lay quietly ...

[MHGinTN]

The House and Senate are full of “D” and a few “R” catholics in name only. Dungheap Harkin and Babs CatBoxer claim to be Catholics. And this charade will continue to undermine Catholicism until the good Bishops excommunicate the demonspawn democrats pushing abortion while claiming to be Catholics. THAT is real separation of church and state! Boot the devils out of the church, to infect only the state, then voters can eliminate the scum like Harkin and Boxer and Pelosi, and ... well, you get the picture.

[NYer]

A Catholic Archbishop warned Americans today about dishonest leftists and democrats who claim the church backs the pro-abortion Senate health care bill.

We saw a bit of this already this weekend. A non-Catholic Catholic group of radical leftists and Marxists released a letter (signed by non-Catholics) in support of the Senate’s pro-abortion bill.

Kathryn Jean Lopez at The Corner reported:

In a piece to be released later this morning, Catholic archbishop Charles J. Chaput of Denver comes out swinging against the health-care push in Washington this week. He writes, in part:

Groups, trade associations and publications describing themselves as “Catholic” or “prolife” that endorse the Senate version — whatever their intentions — are doing a serious disservice to the nation and to the Church, undermining the witness of the Catholic community; and ensuring the failure of genuine, ethical health-care reform. By their public actions, they create confusion at exactly the moment Catholics need to think clearly about the remaining issues in the health-care debate. They also provide the illusion of moral cover for an unethical piece of legislation.

Do not be misled, in other words, by a Speaker’s lies or by anyone claiming to speak for the Catholic Church telling you a Catholic’s conscience will be clear if he supports this legislation.

Remember: The dishonest leftists will stop at nothing to pass their nationalized health care bill.

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[lastchance]

Oops thought a Bishop was giving it to the USCCB.

[Til I am the last man standing]

When ever I see something like this I look for Jim Wallis’ fingerprints. They are all over it. Check out the connections between Wallis and Keehan:

Sister Keenan posting on the Sojourners web site. Sojourners is Jim Wallis’Mag and website (along with Beliefnet).

http://blog.sojo.net/2010/03/15/health-reform-a-major-first-step/

Jim Wallis is one of the signers of this letter being touted by the media as well;

http://marinprogressive.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/pro-life-support-for-health-care-reform/

An article penned by Jim Wallis, EJ Dione and Carol Keehan among others entitled
“46 Million Reasons for Health-Care Reform The moral imperatives for change.” Had to register to read it...not that interested. Written in NOVEMBER OF 09

http://www.sojourners.com/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0911&article=46-million-reasons-for-health-care-reform.

Another connection on Sen Casey’s Website (D-PA):
http://casey.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=e5095338-3383-4512-b7ba-8ca993c7e13a

[ETL]

Excerpt from The American Thinker...

Article: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
May 28, 2008

Just one nugget from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Certain Aspects of the ‘Theology of Liberation': "...it would be illusory and dangerous to ignore the intimate bond which radically unites them liberation theologies), and to accept elements of the marxist analysis without recognizing its connections with the (Marxist) ideology, or to enter into the practice of the class-struggle and of its marxist interpretation while failing to see the kind of totalitarian society to which this process slowly leads."--Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, now Pope Benedict XVI; written in 1984

Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" [i.e. 'reverend Wright's thing] and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

[ETL]

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

[ncalburt]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2471372/posts

read all about this scam group.

[Arthur McGowan]

Barbara Boxer—Catholic?

I’m pretty sure she’s Jewish.

[Wuli]

“This means that they are essentially unopposed to federal funding for abortion and abolition of conscience protection for Catholic health care workers.”

SO FRIGGIN WHAT!!!!!!!!

They are not opposed to dozens of other parts of Marxist expansion of Federal power in the bill EITHER, and guess what, except for the pro-abortion policies the USCCB does not oppose anything else in Obamacare either. Face it, the Catholic Church is Socialist and cares more about promoting socialist policies and politicians than basic Christian moral concerns.

[johniegrad]

except for the pro-abortion policies the USCCB does not oppose anything else in Obamacare either. Face it, the Catholic Church is Socialist

Incorrect on both accounts.

[Salvation]

Thanks.

[A.A. Cunningham]

and guess what, except for the pro-abortion policies the USCCB does not oppose anything else in Obamacare either.

Whatever medication you're taking for your ignorance it isn't doing the job, goober.

USCCB NATIONWIDE BULLETIN INSERT/ACTION ALERT
Updated 3-11-2010
Stop Abortion Funding in Health Care Reform!
Protect Conscience
Ensure Affordable Health Coverage
Allow Immigrants to Purchase Private Health Insurance

As long-time advocates of health care reform, the U.S. Catholic bishops continue to make the moral case that genuine health care reform must protect the life, dignity, consciences and health of all, especially the poor and vulnerable. Health care reform should provide access to affordable and quality health care for all, and not advance a pro-abortion agenda in our country. Genuine health care reform is being blocked by those who insist on reversing widely supported policies against federal funding of abortion and plans which include abortion, not by those working simply to preserve these longstanding protections.

•On November 7, the U.S. House of Representatives passed major health care reform that reaffirms the essential, longstanding and widely supported policy against using federal funds for elective abortions and includes positive measures on affordability and immigrants.

•On December 24, the U.S. Senate rejected this policy and passed health care reform that requires federal funds to help subsidize and promote health plans that cover elective abortions. All purchasers of such plans will be required to pay for other people’s abortions through a separate payment solely to pay for abortion. And the affordability credits for very low income families purchasing private plans in a Health Insurance Exchange are inadequate and would leave families financially vulnerable.

•Outside the abortion context, neither bill has adequate conscience protection for health care providers, plans or employers.

•Congressional leaders are now trying to figure out how the rules of the House and Senate could allow the final passage of a modified bill that would satisfy disagreements between House and Senate versions.

ACTION: Contact your Representative and Senators today by e-mail, phone or FAX.

•To send a pre-written, instant e-mail to Congress go to www.usccb.org/action.

•Call the U.S. Capitol switchboard at: 202-224-3121, or call your Members’ local offices.

Contact info can be found on Members’ web sites at www.house.gov & www.senate.gov.

MESSAGE – HOUSE: “I am pleased that the House health care bill maintains the longstanding policy against federal funding of abortion. On the other hand, the provisions on abortion funding in the current un-amended Senate health care bill are seriously deficient and unacceptable. I urge you to work to uphold essential provisions against abortion funding, to include full conscience protection and to ensure that health care is accessible and affordable for all. I urge you to oppose any bill unless and until these criteria are met.”

MESSAGE – SENATE: “I am deeply disappointed that the current un-amended Senate health care bill fails to maintain the longstanding policy against federal funding of abortion and does not include adequate protection for conscience. I urge you to support essential provisions against abortion funding, similar to those in the House bill. Include full conscience protection and ensure that health care is accessible and affordable for all. I urge you to oppose any bill unless and until these criteria are met.”

WHEN: Votes in the House and Senate are expected at any time. Act today! Thank You!

Face it, the Catholic Church is Socialist and cares more about promoting socialist policies and politicians than basic Christian moral concerns.

You must be one of those "Christians" who thinks the Eighth Commandment is really just a suggestion.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Catholics, Health Care and the Senate's bad bill

The following column is scheduled to be published in the March 17, 2010 issue of the Denver Catholic Register.

The Senate version of health-care reform currently being forced ahead by congressional leaders and the White House is a bad bill that will result in bad law. It does not deserve, nor does it have, the support of the Catholic bishops of our country. Nor does the American public want it. As I write this column on March 14, the Senate bill remains gravely flawed. It does not meet minimum moral standards in at least three important areas: the exclusion of abortion funding and services; adequate conscience protections for health-care professionals and institutions; and the inclusion of immigrants.

Groups, trade associations and publications describing themselves as “Catholic” or “prolife” that endorse the Senate version – whatever their intentions – are doing a serious disservice to the nation and to the Church, undermining the witness of the Catholic community; and ensuring the failure of genuine, ethical health-care reform. By their public actions, they create confusion at exactly the moment Catholics need to think clearly about the remaining issues in the health-care debate. They also provide the illusion of moral cover for an unethical piece of legislation.

As we enter a critical week in the national health-care debate, Catholics across northern Colorado need to remember a few simple facts.

First, the Catholic bishops of the United States have pressed for real national health-care reform in this country for more than half a century. They began long before either political party or the public media found it convenient. That commitment hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

Second, the bishops have tried earnestly for more than seven months to work with elected officials to craft reform that would serve all Americans in a manner respecting minimum moral standards. The failure of their effort has one source. It comes entirely from the stubbornness and evasions of certain key congressional leaders, and the unwillingness of the White House to honor promises made by the president last September.

Third, the health-care reform debate has never been merely a matter of party politics. Nor is it now. Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak and a number of his Democratic colleagues have shown extraordinary character in pushing for good health-care reform while resisting attempts to poison it with abortion-related entitlements and other bad ideas that have nothing to do with real “health care.” Many Republicans share the goal of decent health-care reform, even if their solutions would differ dramatically. To put it another way, few persons seriously oppose making adequate health services available for all Americans. But God, or the devil, is in the details -- and by that measure, the current Senate version of health-care reform is not merely defective, but also a dangerous mistake.

The long, unpleasant and too often dishonest national health-care debate is now in its last days. Its most painful feature has been those “Catholic” groups that by their eagerness for some kind of deal undercut the witness of the Catholic community and help advance a bad bill into a bad law. Their flawed judgment could now have damaging consequences for all of us.

Do not be misled. The Senate version of health-care reform currently being pushed ahead by congressional leaders and the White House -- despite public resistance and numerous moral concerns -- is bad law; and not simply bad, but dangerous. It does not deserve, nor does it have, the support of the Catholic bishops in our country, who speak for the believing Catholic community. In its current content, the Senate version of health-care legislation is not “reform.” Catholics and other persons of good will concerned about the foundations of human dignity should oppose it.

[Wuli]

"Joseph Ratzinger said in his 2004 speech to the Italian Senate: “In many respects, democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine and has in any case made a remarkable contribution to the formation of a social consciousness."

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=1219

Efforts to restore a viable balance by reappropriating a sense of the common good and social solidarity have marked Western history for the last couple of centuries. In Europe such efforts were spearheaded by Catholic social teaching and democratic socialism, whose political expression in Christian Democratic and Social Democratic parties created the decent societies that have marked the recent history of Britain and Western Europe. When the present Pope in his last year as Cardinal Ratzinger met with Jürgen Habermas, he expressed his sympathy with the tradition of social democracy and said that it was similar to Catholic social teachings. In its fullness that is surely the case, but when American Catholic ideologues reduce Catholic ethics to an exclusive concern with abortion and gay marriage they take the social out of Catholic social teachings and become spokesmen not for the authentic Catholic tradition but for a narrow quasi-Protestant sect."

Meaning, they "American" Catholic "ideologues" are not socialist enough on other issues.

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2009/01/12/this-is-our-moment-this-is-our-time/

Ratzinger has even referred to himself as a "Democratic Socialist"

They - the Catholic hierarchy - are not opposed to greater Federal power over our lives at all, for any reason, outside of "right to life" issues.

[Wuli]

And, the ONLY reason the USCCB opposes Obamacare at the moment are exclusively “right to life” issues. There are no other Marxist intrusions in Obamacare that they object to.