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House Dems Try to Pass Obamacare Without a Vote
RedState.com ^ | 3/10/10 | Leon H. Wolf

Posted on 03/10/2010 3:32:37 PM PST by Reaganesque

We are hearing word that House Democrats, led by House Rules Chairman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) are attemping an end-run around one of the most basic Constitutional principles taught in Junior High Civics - the mechanism by which a bill becomes law. Article 1, Section 7 of the constitution is clear:

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

This mechanism, of course, is referred to in Constitutional and legal shorthand as “bicameralism plus presentment,” which stands for the basic premise, stated above, that before a bill can become law, that bill must be passed by BOTH chambers of Congress and be presented to the President for either his veto or his approval. It is obvious to any thinking person (and indeed even to members of Congress) that if the House passes one bill and the Senate passes a different bill touching on the same topic, this does not equate to the same bill having passed both the House of Representatives and the Senate, per Article 1, Section 7. Which is why, as they teach you in junior high, when the Senate and House pass different versions of a bill, they must hammer out their differences in a conference committee, and then the compromise bill (to the extent it contains changes from the bill passed by both chambers) must be sent back to *both chambers* for a vote, so that both chambers of Congress will have in fact passed the same bill. This is also why, after the election of Scott Brown, Democrats have found it necessary for the House to pass the Senate bill exactly as-is, knowing that compromise bill between the two will be defeated after it returns from the Senate.

Having determined that they lack the votes in the House to pass the Senate bills as-is, House Democrats are attempting one of the most breathtakingly unconstitutional power grabs ever witnessed - a maneuver to deem the Senate bill ALREADY PASSED by the House by rule, despite the fact that it clearly has not. Now, as we have constantly reminded our ahistorical liberal friends who have already forgotten all of 2002-2006, the filibuster is constitutional because it is a Senate rule of debate, which is expressly authorized by Article I’s delegation of power to each house of Congress to set its own rules of debate. Apparently, some Democrats can’t seem to tell the difference between a rule of debate and just declaring by rule that the House has passed a bill that they have not, when the Constitution itself expressly states that “in all [] Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays[.]” What Slaughter and Pelosi here are attempting here is a blatant violation of the principles of bicameralism and presentment.

And unlike other Unconstitutional things Congress does, there’s caselaw here suggesting pretty clearly that when Congress attempts to pass a law in the absence of proper bicameralism and presentment, a person negatively affected by Congress’s action (e.g., a person required to pay a fine for not having health insurance) has standing to challenge the law’s validity in the Courts. This farce is illegal and unconstitutional on its face, and someone has to be advising the Democrats in the House of this fact. They already know the American people don’t want this bill. They know by now that what they’re trying to do is illegal. The question now is whether they still have the shame to care about either.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; democrats; obamacare; slaughter; slaughterhouse; votes
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The audacity of hope apparently includes a total disregard for the law and the Constitution. But then, we'd pretty much figured that out by now. Its just surprising to see this raw, naked example of it.
1 posted on 03/10/2010 3:32:37 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque

These Dems are pure evil.


2 posted on 03/10/2010 3:34:15 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Reaganesque

The Chicago Way.

Lord, deliver us from the evil that is in Washington.


3 posted on 03/10/2010 3:36:43 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Reaganesque

I’d be happy if they passed it this way! It would be totally illegal and could easily be negated!


4 posted on 03/10/2010 3:37:42 PM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Reaganesque

This is Honduras. But we have guns. A lot of them.

I was trying to explain to family in Australia about guns in the US. The LAST thing they thought was that their purpose is to protect us from the government.


5 posted on 03/10/2010 3:38:01 PM PST by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Reaganesque
It is only illegal if a court so rules. The Dems may believe that by the time a case works its way through the courts, they will have sufficiently packed the appellate levels and the Supreme Court that the law is what they say it is.
6 posted on 03/10/2010 3:39:01 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Reaganesque

This is getting uglier and uglier.


7 posted on 03/10/2010 3:42:31 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Reaganesque

All of this was well-covered in “Ideocracy”.


8 posted on 03/10/2010 3:43:09 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Reaganesque

This is not going to happen, no way no how.


9 posted on 03/10/2010 3:43:52 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: timetostand
I would rather it not get passed at all, because I have little faith in any court from district on up to SCOTUS to do the right thing (example: Kelo vs. New London!). Of course, whether the 'Rats are successful with this banana-republic power grab depends on the cajones of the House GOP, which I also have little faith in.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 03/10/2010 3:44:00 PM PST by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: jveritas

I tend to doubt it will happen as well. However, that they could even conceive of such a thing is frightening to say the least.


11 posted on 03/10/2010 3:45:01 PM PST by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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Be in DC with us on 4/15 and seriously disrupt the city.

Civil disobedience. I have come to the conclusion that is the *minimum* that will get their attention.

Are you reading this Janet??


12 posted on 03/10/2010 3:45:11 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Reaganesque
Democrats holding a voice vote on display....

Murtha Voice Vote

13 posted on 03/10/2010 3:47:49 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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However, that they could even conceive of such a thing is frightening to say the least.

Very scary indeed my friend.

14 posted on 03/10/2010 3:47:54 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Bring fishing poles and fish in the reflecting pool. We talked about this on another thread. Some are trying to convince Obama to seriously restrict or ban fishing in the US.


15 posted on 03/10/2010 3:47:55 PM PST by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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To: HarleyD

Stock-up, the lefties are advancing. When you have the Chief Justice saying things openly against this kenyan, it doesn’t look good.


16 posted on 03/10/2010 3:48:53 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Reaganesque

If they dont have to follow what the law says, Niether do I.

I know the Chicago way. Lots and lots of bullets!


17 posted on 03/10/2010 3:50:55 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: eyedigress

What did he say? I missed that.


18 posted on 03/10/2010 3:52:15 PM PST by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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To: Reaganesque
The question now is whether they still have the shame to care about either.

No. Never have. We've known that all along.

19 posted on 03/10/2010 3:52:46 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The reality is "they" don't care about us and ignore anything we do. They are pure, unadulterated Alinsky communists whose end goal is the overthrow of America.

Attempting to rationalize their actions is totally meaningless - they are pure evil.

20 posted on 03/10/2010 3:52:50 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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