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1 posted on 03/06/2010 4:19:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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...a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement...

It seems Mark Steyn is much more sanguine about ObamaCare than I am.

2 posted on 03/06/2010 4:23:18 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Don't just pick between Bull Sh*t and Horse Sh*t, clean out the stable!)
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I've been saying in this space for two years that the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture.

It seems to me that we already have this leftist political culture even without the government health system.

3 posted on 03/06/2010 4:23:49 PM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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Yeah, it’s never been about reforming healthcare but about Progressives seizing control of this Republic.


4 posted on 03/06/2010 4:24:12 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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Because government health care is not about health care, it's about government. Once you look at it that way, what the Dems are doing makes perfect sense. For them.

True indeed!

5 posted on 03/06/2010 4:24:15 PM PST by CedarDave (Hey Mitt, how's that no-apology book tour going? Any other than ivy-tower elites energized yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the single most important article ever posted in Free Republic... or anywhere else.

Unfortunately, I fear that it will remain so... that what it predicts will come to pass.


8 posted on 03/06/2010 4:28:03 PM PST by samtheman
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Click Here

9 posted on 03/06/2010 4:38:39 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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"And those are NOT my fingerprints all over the congressional bill.
I merely facilitated discussion between opposing parties."

10 posted on 03/06/2010 4:43:36 PM PST by syriacus (If ALL religions are equal, why go halfway around the world to learn to practice a different one?)
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Yesterday I went off on Mark and called him an idiot. Well I was the ‘idiot’ because, what Mark describes in this article is Australia.

There is no such thing as a “Conservative” party in a socialist country.

Mark, you nailed it and I apologize. I just hope that ALL of America realizes what they have to lose.


11 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:40 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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I absolutely believe that RAT leaders are willing to pay *any* price (in the short/medium term,at least) to get HusseinCare.Particularly if it's those other than they themselves who are tossed out.Bella Pelosi knows she's got a House gig for as long as she wants it.And I'll wager all I have that Dirty Harry has been promised (*secretly* promised) something *very* sweet by Hussein for when he's tossed out on his hindquarters in November.

I just pray that the Republicans can hold them off until January of next year when there'll be nothing to worry about.

12 posted on 03/06/2010 4:47:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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This happened in Hawaii. Even though we have a Republican Governor, she can hardly get anything done or passed as the whole rest of Hawaii’s legislature is pure left wing zombie’s. I mean from the two Senators to the House members down to the state house and senate. All democrats. I laugh when someone on Freepers says ,be sure to call your representative and let them know how you feel. I might just as well go out and talk to my concrete fence. They rule and don’t give a crap what we the people want or feel.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 4:52:01 PM PST by fish hawk
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άποθανεΐν θέλω.
17 posted on 03/06/2010 5:07:35 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (A gentleman in the drawing room; a rapist in the boudoir.)
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One way that Progressive Democrats have managed to keep alive their dead, defeated,

bankrupting theories on issues like so-called health care is by perverting the

definition of very basic terms.

The word “right” is one of the most glaring examples of a definition that’s been

distorted by the intellectual house-of-horrors mirror that is leftist theory.

Every American has the “right” to health care they argue.

They’re right. Every American does have a right to health care. In fact, they have

that “right” right now. They have the right to buy insurance. They have the right

to not buy insurance. They have the right to pay out of pocket. They have the

right get a second opinion. They have the right to rub a little dirt on it and suck

it up. They have a right to help out a friend in need. These are individual rights.

America is set upon individual rights.

What they don’t have is the “right” to health care in the perverted leftist sense

of the word.

A “right,” in the traditional American lexicon laid out by the likes of Thomas

Jefferson, is something that exists by virtue of our humanity. It is “inalienable”

and we are endowed with these rights by our creator. No government or

institution has the power to take away these rights. You exist, therefore these

rights exist.

In the leftist sense of the word, though, a “right” is something very different. In

fact, it’s not a “right” at all: it’s a handout provided to you by government, often

at exorbitant costs to society.

“I have the ‘right’ to health care!” the leftists demand angrily. “Therefore, the

government must provide it for me!” This is where they veer off course. You

do not have a ‘right to healthcare provided by government’. Or a house, or a

college degree or education, or car loan or food etc, etc, etc.

B-b-b-b-b-but!,” scream the leftists. “Insurance companies can already deny you

health care.”

No, they can’t. Insurance companies are certainly part of the problem. We’ve

grown to depend on them too much and on ourselves too little. The system does

need to be fixed.

But insurance companies cannot deny you the inalienable ”right” to health care.

They do not have that power. They can only choose not to pay for certain

procedures. You can still find another insurance company, seek help in a

different state, find a charitable doctor to pay for it, benefit from a fundraiser

or, worst-case scenario, benefit from the generosity of a well-funded, for-profit

private health care institution.

After all, you still have the “right” to find that care. Even in a worst-case

scenario in the current system, you only need the means.

But when government monopolizes the system, when government first decides

what kind of care you’ll get, and when government next decides if they’ll even

pay for it, your right to health care no longer exists


18 posted on 03/06/2010 5:09:18 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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I believe that Obamacare is first and foremost about ObamaEgo. He wants to go down in history as the person who did what no one else could: create a “universal” [read socialist] health care system. May even be a grudgefest with the Clintons.

Whatever, anything else is secondary to his ego. JMO.


19 posted on 03/06/2010 5:17:10 PM PST by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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This is certainly a very important Mark Steyn column (and he has been my favorite columnist for a while now).

If Congress passes Obamacare it will be signing the death warrant for the US. Citizens will no longer look to their own efforts to improve their lives but will instead be consumed with getting the government to do it for them. “Health care” will be the excuse for government to micromanage anything and everything. We will all become “special interests” seeing government handouts as a “right,” with little regard as to what it does to the nation as a whole.

Pray that God would stop this demonic legislation from becoming law!

21 posted on 03/06/2010 5:21:03 PM PST by feralcat
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PING!!
26 posted on 03/06/2010 6:01:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

27 posted on 03/06/2010 6:02:13 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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Is it worth reducing the next generation of Americans to indentured servitude to pay for this poor New Yorker's dentured servitude?

Steyn, you don't know your real value to those of us out here who share conservative views.

30 posted on 03/06/2010 6:16:31 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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REFORM my hindfoot.

It's all about the MONEY!!

They WANT the MONEY!!

33 posted on 03/06/2010 6:40:08 PM PST by Osage Orange (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud)
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Bump, and ping for later.


35 posted on 03/06/2010 6:49:09 PM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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Why let "health" "care" "reform" stagger on like the rotting husk in a low-grade creature feature who refuses to stay dead no matter how many stakes you pound through his chest?

Awww Gawwwd. That's exactly how it feels.

36 posted on 03/06/2010 6:58:24 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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