Posted on 02/26/2010 6:08:35 AM PST by jmaroneps37
We are in the ugly situation of being governed by Marxist socialists because of a few groups of voters who turned their back on American freedoms for their own benefit by voting for Obama.
Hispanics were one such group. The media constantly touts Hispanics as “conservatives” and thus people real conservatives should kowtow to for fear they would stop supporting Republicans. Those of us that watch politics know calling Hispanics “conservatives” is a lie.
Texas GOP Governor Rick Perry has been on the frontline of dealing with these “conservative” Hispanics and his sorry record should serve as a reminder of the folly of bargaining with a group whose main goal seems to be erasing our border controls.
It’s long past time that the Republican Party stops sucking up to Hispanics or any other groups masquerading as conservatives who black mail patriotic Americans with charges of racism.
Governor Perry’s “in state tuition” bribe
In a recent poll more than half of Hispanics in Texas self identified as conservatives, but talk is cheap. At this news a Texas Democrat responded Rick Perry “doesn’t frighten” Hispanics because he has distanced “himself from immigration hard-liners in the GOP.”
In fact Perry has a record of being soft on illegal aliens and has given them in state tuition rates at Texas state colleges. He has said he “ want[s] to [only] keep out.. people that are smuggling drugs and people.”
In 2002 Perry got 13% of the Hispanic vote, in 2006 only 14% while Democrats got three times as many.
By the numbers
Hispanics registered 57% Democrat; just 23% Republican; 66% voted for Obama.
Calling Hispanics conservatives is ridiculous. Appeasement doesn’t work, ask Rick Perry.
We’re in the midst of a conservative revolution. We should welcome true conservatives but voter blackmail stops now.
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“Shall we correct a few stereotypes” PING
Their "social conservatism" sure doesn't show up in any election results, probably because that trait does not in fact exist aside from a VERY small minority of the above-mentioned groups.
We've been told for years that Hispanics are deeply faithful to their Catholic religion and that abortion is repugnant to them, blah, blah, blah.... Yet look how they vote - that says it all.
The one I know closest is Mexican.
I would say a person whose ancestors are from a Spanish speaking country, is an easy def.
Btw, I, my wife, my children and most of my wife’s family all are conservative Hispanics.
My mom is a moonbat thou.
Many Latin American cultures are conservative in the cultural sense (respect for family, traditional values, Catholic/Christian religous beliefs. etc.) As was pointed out to me, a stable family unit is the only way to survive in societies that undergo continuing political and economic chaos.
But, as was also pointed out to me....once they can come to Ohio and figure out they can get welfare, game over.
Post of the Day!
Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears with most of the Freepers on this thread.
Hispanics showed who and what they are a couple of years ago when they marched in large numbers supporting amnesty.
Not only were the Mexican flags offensive to most Americans, the claim that they were in America before it became America did not do them any favors. But, the most telling act was the number of Hispanics who bashed Bush, 43.
These people are so stupid and so inculcated with liberal ideology, they couldn’t recognize one of the best friends they have. FWIW, we need to stop appeasing the illegal invaders of our country and claim that we just can’t do without them. Instead, we need to gain control over our borders and begin mass deportations.
I, for one, am tired of feeling like a stranger in my own country. Spanish language advertisements, products, etc., that disenfranchise native-born Americans are offensive and ridiculous.
Most conservative “hispanics” probably self-identify as white and have been here for generations.
I did years ago.
I’m Hispanic and conservative. Of course I was born and raised here so I have a different mindset and have little in common with the general Hispanic population but I think what people are saying is that Latinos are Democrat, and they mostly are. I think there are two main reasons: 1) They have the patron mentality from centuries of Spanish rule. That is, they work for the “man” of the hacienda and in return expect to be protected by him sort of a feudal relationship) so big government is certainly a good substitute. 2) Many of them are just plain ignorant of political and social-economic realities because they feel culturally that they are stuck in a “class” system. In other words, a farmer begets a farmer begets a farmer.
Now I know some will disagree with this assessment and certainly the liberals would but I still have relatives in Mexico and I have studied and have come up with these conclusions. I think in the long run, after a couple of generations that cycle will break but that has been my observation.
I just don't understand why so much energy is wasted catering to groups instead of just getting in the face of the Dems.
Winning the debate impossible, IMHO, because you've already allowed the collective mindset of socialism to define the argument.
That's why the GOP has been on the losing side....they've been trying to out- Marx the Marxists.
Part of the problem is that Conservatives and Republicans have done a poor job articulating their position on the number one issue among Hispanics - immigration.
While the vast majority of us are in favor of LEGAL immigration and against the illegal variety, the general feeling in the Hispanic community is that we’re against immigration, period, and as such means that we hate them and don’t want them here.
Couple that with the dims actively courting them and sucking up to them by supporting illegal immigration, it is unsurprising that Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for democrats.
Rather than giving up, we should be searching for a better way to get out the message that we actually DO like Hispanics and, if they’re willing to respect our laws and come into this country legally, we will welcome them here.
"Hispanic American” means a person having origins in any of the Spanish-speaking peoples of Mexico, South or Central America, or the Caribbean Islands or other Spanish or Portuguese cultures and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part."
I would say a person whose ancestors are from a Spanish speaking country, is an easy def.
Do you subscribe to a "one drop" rule in defining whether someone is Hispanic or not? How does one identify who is Hispanic?
The Democrats created the artificial category of “Hispanics” in the 1970s as a way to create another class of victims, which they could imbue with special rights and privileges, including affirmative action and minority business set asides for whites. The result is another "minority group" that votes Democrat. It doesn’t matter that, according to the Census Bureau, 51 percent of Hispanics self-identify themselves as white. The Census Bureau has even created the phony category of “non-Hispanic whites,” which are now 66 percent of the population and will be 50 percent in 2042. The reality is that “whites” will still be more than 70 percent of the population in 2042.
I asked an Hispanic panel at last year's CPAC and they had difficulty defining what an Hispanic was. One even included Filipinos.
Latinos from any Hispanic country are not politically monolithic because they spring from a class (and racial) structure within those countries. Unfortunately, the social arithmetic is all wrong for the Republican and Conservative cause. These countries all have a huge and explosively growing underclass of mostly indigenous native ancestry, a comparatively small, numerically stable middle class, with proportionately more European ancestry, and a very small upper class, of mostly European ancestry. This demography is hardly a mystery.
I was personally assured by Karl Rove that "Mexican-Americans would be the Republicans of the Future." He wisely did not put a date on the word "Future." If 20% of legal hispanic voters in the US go Republican, consider it a minor miracle.
So the appeal that must be made by Republicans is to the fundamental desire for independence and financial achievement that is the basis of Latin American entrepreneurship.
Well, OK. But let's face it, that ought to be self- evident to this "Latino entrepreneurial class." Instead, we get Republican pandering to the largely illegal immigrant community with their anchor babies ... people who are 5 generations away from even considering the Republican Party; people who are in many cases, already illegally voting for, or being voted by, the Democrats.
Hey there Tarpon! I’m sick and tired of the “Hispanic this and the Hispanic that’’. This isn’t assimilation, it’s racial extortion. If you vote one way or another the “Hispanics won’t like it’’. How is a minority allowed to hold a majority hostage?
The litmus test on immigration is amnesty. The "Hispanic community" predominantly supports amnesty, which is against the Rule of Law, the basic foundation of our Republic.
Tell it brother! Shout it from the rooftops! I haven’t forgotten May of ‘06. I still burn with fury at the sight of those bastards parading their damned flag and disrespecting our flag and demanding, DEMANDING! we make them citizens.
O' rilly?
That would be news to my father, mother, myself and most of the family on my father's side. My family was and is very "conservative". My father was a Marine as were two of my unlces and a couple of cousins. He spoke spanish fluently and was served our country from Lebanon to Vietnam.
My father trained Cubans near Ft. Myers in the 60's and fought while on TDY in Central and South America. When Kennedy visited Dallas, he didn't bat an eye. He hated him for cutting loose the men he helped train.
There is no "Hispanic" race. That's a myth that the dems and the MSM have sold to the majority of this country. The immigrant from Cuba has nothing in common with the peasant farmer worker from Guatemala or the photographer from Argentina. The Colombian journalist or police officer that made up Los Pepes have nothing in common with current Cuban journalist or Mexican cops.
He never allowed us to be labeled as a "hypen American", cause he said that all the blood he ever saw from his men was red. The only difference I grew up knowing was the difference between officers kids and enlisted mens kids.
There are lazy, welfare sucking leeches that are hispanic (insert country of origin) just like there are white trash POS that live in 'Frisco, Chicago and Kansas cooking meth and humping their cousin.
My 4 kids have Irish and Mexican blood. The one in college read Atlas Shrugged, gave a report on the Road To Serfdom and picked up a nasty habit for shooting skeet and pistols. My other ones are also labeled "hispanic" by the high school and middle school because of me. Guess what? The make fun of the science teachers yapping about Global warming and "diversity".
The "hispanics" from Texas that have been here since the 1800's like my mother's family or came over during the revolution in the early 1920's like my dad's are pretty conservative. They go to church, fought in our armed forces (6 uncles and many other cousins), run schools, work as nurses, doctors, lawyers, and are mixed just like Italians, Germans, Poles, and the rest.
Your rant about pandering to hispanics is correct. The Republican party shouldn't or advocate any "group" or "race" based policies, but on PRINCIPLES of limited government. I heard my father and one of my liberal aunts argue and he told her that if she wanted to suck off the government nipple and have schools taught in spanish all she had to do is look at how the American Indian and African-American turned out as opposed to the Chinese, Japanese, Jewish and German immigrants. One set let the government "take care" of them, the other group was also discriminated against but flourished.
You may not know any conservative "hispanics" but I know a lot of them. If you're going to "kick them out of the party" or make their inclusion in your "tent" a pain in the a##. Well you're going to have a tough time winning any elections in Texas my friend. "Hispanics" make up about 35% of the population. If they vote en masse with African Americans in Texas, about 15% .... well you're getting the picture.
Remember the MSM and the libs want to divide us. We need to fight on principles together against the liberal pukes and not based on the fact that I like menudo, tortillas, chorizo and barbacoa, while you like.... whatever it is you like.
Just among conservatives I know I can think of 6 or so who are hispanic, in the US and not native born - none fit your template. Some are citizens, others are on their way, others were just here temporarily. I can think of many other people I’ve known or met briefly who are living in central or south America who are conservative. I’ve also met a few hispanics from many places who are liberal, some radically so.
Anecdotes aside, suppose you are correct in your assessment. Should their votes be sought with different speeches? Should we appeal to conservative US citizens of hispanic origin with a different ‘conservative message’ than we use for other conservative US citizens who have different ancestries or nations of birth? If so, how would those messages differ? Should we hyphenate conservative ideas?
Agree, ask the lame stream media, until they die it will be this way. Or they are replaced — which is happening right now.
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