Posted on 02/25/2010 9:28:21 AM PST by Never A Dull Moment
The Obama administration criticized Israel for designating two shrines on Palestinian territory as Israeli national heritage sites.
The criticism came as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday she hopes long-stalled peace talks between Israelis and the Palestinians will resume. Clinton told a congressional committee that groundwork is being laid to restart the talks with the help of US envoy George Mitchell.
Toner said US displeasure with the designations of the Cave of the Patriarchs in the flash point town of Hebron and the traditional tomb of the biblical matriarch Rachel in Bethlehem had been conveyed to senior Israeli officials by American diplomats.
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Same tactic, lets just wait for POTUS to create a fake massacre (Jenin didn’t have the PR punch that was intended) and then start bombing Tel Aviv.
Well which is it, The US or the Obama Administration? For those two things are NOT one in the same.
True, it is a historical view, particularly because the Romans referred to the land as "Iudea." Guess why?
Jews do not make that distinction.
Now they don't. They apparently did then.
Who was taken out of Egypt - Jews or Hebrews?
Hebrews.
Where is your support for that statement?
Maps from the Roman Empire deeming all of what is now modern Israel, "Iudea."
I said, "Jews" are named after the tribe of Yehuda..." I did not say by whom.
Of course it is -- they even recycled Judge Goldstone from the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia to give a scathing report on the Gaza Offensive.
A touch of irony, the question is will Rudder Finn include the Palestinians as part of their clientele portfolio, and if so, will the Israel = Nazi narrative be incorporated?
Has Joe Lieberman weighed in on this yet, hmmm?
Obamao is wrong on this and I hope BB sets him straight!
I am offended by this comment which I believe seeks to delegitimize Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite/Judean rights to Hebron, Maarat Hamachpelah, and Kever Rachel:
"Correction: There were Jews Hebrews at those sites"
Carry_Okie: if that is not your point, please clarify.
Historically the land was called Israel not Judea which was only a portion assigned to the tribe of Judah..
My historical source, the Bible, predates your source. But I see you choose to name them by their conquerer, the Romans. Do you think Catholics would like to be called Papists? They were ‘historically’ called such by Protestants during the Reformation.
What is your source of the word “Hebrews?”
From where do you take that Jews in the past distinguished between “Hebrews” and “Jews?” The Cannanites did so as a derrogatory designation.
What is your source for saying the Arabs are Ishmaelites? Do you have genetic proof?
I object to your usage. I find it incorrect and delegitimizing.
O.K.
Just wanted to make sure. I don’t talk to Muslims - verbally.
The way I understand it, The Jews were from the tribe of Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Hence all Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews were Jews.
Is that right?
All I was saying is that it is not correct to say that Abraham was "Jewish," because the term "Jew" was created many generations later by the Romans. It is not an effort do delegitimize Israel's modern claim but an effort to be historically accurate. As far as I know, the first name given to the children of Israel as a nation was "Hebrew," although there are archaeologists who claim that it probably should be pronounced "Ha-boo-roo" (probably from the root hay-vet-resh), at least there are records from ancient Egypt indicating a tribe by that name once lived in the Nile delta region (Goshen).
What is disturbing is that you would question me as such when you could simply go to my FR page and learn of a book I've authored that explains how the Sabbath year was to work and how it is important that Israel observe it in its original intent so that it can survive as a nation. Why would anyone who wrote such a book attempt to say that Israel has no claim on Hevron?
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Presumably because there are Mosques on both sites. A rather ugly move by the administration in the name of our nation.
Yes, there are Mosques at both locations. That's what Islam does.
He's muslim so there's no surprise here.
This is pure anti-semitism. Since when can Obama, Hillary and the State Dept. tell a country that documented sites in their chronological/religious history are wrong, illegal, or destabilizing.
It is like telling the Pope/Christian Church that the various sites in Bethlehem, Gallilee, etc. are not valid bcause it upsets Moslems.
As a Jew, I’ve watch as the US, the UN, and the rest of the world has allowed the Palestinian mobs to destroy historical Jewish sites (remember the uproar over the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist/Hindu statues?) and do nothing about it.
There is no end to the hyprocisy and anti-semitism of the State Dept., led by Hillary the Hag, and the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish stances of Obama the Messiah and his nest of vipers.
Blow up one of the Moslem sites in Indonesia where Obama went to school and/or prayers, and see what happens.
Screw these leftist anti-semites.
Remember Christians, “first they came for the Jews, then they came for ...” You’re next. Remember what they have done to Christmas.
“At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.”
2nd Kings, 16:6
http://tx.j-lorber.com/AT/B12C016.htm
Also apropos of the times, the holiday starts Saturday night, Esther 2:5
“Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai “
6th Century BCE
I am glad we agree on Hebron. I did look at your profile and I did not understand your point on the Talmud. I am glad I asked you to clarify.
No.
Per Jewish belief, all descendants of Jacob are Jews.
But before the destruction of the first Temple (8-9 century BCE) the Jews were split into the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. Many Jews from ALL the tribes came to the Kingdom of Judah before the Assyrians crushed the Kingdom of Israel . Those from the Kingdom of Judah are the ancestors of the people who are known today as Jews. The dispersed inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel became what is known as the ten lost tribes.
But today some of these lost tribes are resurfacing.
Support of the survival of tribes besides Judah lies in Megillat Esther where Mordechai is identified as a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin.
Thanks.
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