Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Nullification, Secession, and Guns Show Constitutional Meaning is Never Settled
writ.news.findlaw.com ^ | 24 February, 2010 | MICHAEL C. DORF

Posted on 02/24/2010 4:14:07 AM PST by marktwain

Late last year, it appeared that Congress would enact healthcare reform legislation that would include an individual mandate requiring uninsured Americans to purchase health insurance. In response, some opponents of the legislation contended that it was unconstitutional. I wrote two columns on the topic for this site, one rejecting the libertarian objection to the proposed individual mandate, and another rejecting the federalism objection to it. Other scholars wrote similar analyses, many of which were cited by Senator Max Baucus in response to the doubters.

Even though healthcare-reform legislation appears to be stalled for now, the movement against the individual mandate continues, and the constitutional objection is still frequently raised. Judging by the email I have received, and by my perusal of claims being made on the air and online, the critics simply do not care that Supreme Court precedents going back nearly two centuries support the constitutionality of an individual mandate. They believe that it is unconstitutional anyway.

Critics say some things that would be laughed out of the Supreme Court. For instance, they make such claims as "The Constitution says nothing about health care or an individual mandate." That is true, but plainly unimportant to the constitutional analysis. The Constitution contains no express language authorizing the federal government to charter a bank, to organize an air force, or to protect the natural environment. Yet all of these functions, and many more, have been readily accommodated under the longstanding principle that the government has implied, as well as express, powers.

(Excerpt) Read more at writ.news.findlaw.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; banglist; constitution; law; livingdocument; obamacare; statesrights
Michael pushes forward the truism that the interpretation of the Constitution can change. Everyone knows that. What is interesting is his use of the truism to portray his view of history as the correct one, and others view as false and ignorant. It happens, of course, that his view supports his political convictions.

The real battle, of course, is not between honest competeing views of history, but between those who believe that truth exists and those who believe that truth is whatever is convenient at any time. Michael seems to fall into the latter category. To claim that the 20th century fabrication that the 2nd Amendment only applied to a state run militia is fundamental truth, and that the Supreme Court, in searching out original documnet showing the thoughts of the writers of the Constitution is a means of falsifying history, attacks the very idea of originalism, and hence, the very idea of written law.

1 posted on 02/24/2010 4:14:07 AM PST by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Just because the SCOTUS has in the past crapped all over the constitution, does not mean that we still have to put up with such fecal decisions.


2 posted on 02/24/2010 4:21:01 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

More opinion unsubstantiated by any citations.


3 posted on 02/24/2010 4:38:29 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, telling it straight since AD 33)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
The writer errs in viewing the issue of "the individual mandate" as one where the Supreme Court can make a decision and we'll all go along with it.

No, this one is a deal breaker. The reason is that the penalty planned by the Democrats to invoke a desire to "go along with it" is too high. Further, it is clearly targeted at young low-income people who are presently engaged in what will most certainly be a decade long battle for employment.

$250,000 fine, as has been written up and passed in various versions of Obamacare for missing a monthly payment on a personal medical insurance policy is entirely out of line.

Given the target population I do believe a smooth operator could quickly create a million or more member private militia ~ which was not part of the survivalist school nor the black moslem movements.

Such an agency would be socially disquieting in the extreme.

If unemployment doesn't abate, the private militia could easily grow to 5 million young men! If it worsens, then 10 million would not be out of question.

About that point the Constitutional resolution is something that would be decided outside the framework of normal government.

The Democrats and their running dog lackeys are playing with some serious Constitutional fire ~ the sort that in the end will leave them out of business.

4 posted on 02/24/2010 4:40:33 AM PST by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

It’s about what’s best for the culture, not what the Constituion says. At least that’s the opinion of the conservatives over on the other thread about the Constitution.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 5:05:57 AM PST by Wolfie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
...[T]he critics simply do not care that Supreme Court precedents going back nearly two centuries support the constitutionality of an individual mandate.

If Supreme Court precedents were all that (and a bag of chips), we would still be legally required, upon discovering an escaped slave, to return him to his rightful owner.

The Constitution contains no express language authorizing the federal government to charter a bank, to organize an air force, or to protect the natural environment.

Right, wrong, right. The Air Force (Originally the Army Air Corps) is the technological descendant of the armies known to the framers, as railroads and air corridors are the technological descendants of post roads. As for chartering banks and (pretending to) protect the environment (by diminishing our freedom)-- I'd just as soon they leave off, and I hope it wouldn't take a bloody fight to make it so.

6 posted on 02/24/2010 7:48:25 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

As long as “living document” interpreation is allowed, no meaning can ever be “settled”.


7 posted on 02/24/2010 7:50:05 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

The author is bringing a legalistic knife to a looming shootout. The noise he hears is not a thunderstorm but a growing army of patriots marching on hallowed ground. He hasn’t a clue.


8 posted on 02/24/2010 10:40:19 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

“Although history has judged the Alien and Sedition Acts to be oppressive, the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions were also problematic: They asserted the power of states to unilaterally disregard federal law, and that assertion threatened both the supremacy and uniformity of federal law. “

GOOD! We need a lot more decentralization and if the federal government doesn’t want to stick to things we can all agree on they should be ignored.

The so called “supremacy” of Federal law is in itself a Non sequitur as the “law” in question was not authorized by we the people or our States in the Federal Constitution.

We don’t care what the Federal governments Own Courts have to say on the matter, it is not their power/rights its OUR power/rights!

To alow them to be the excursive judge of the extent of their and their appointers own power represent a severe conflict of interest. A conflict which was spoken of and sold to us by none-other then Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 28.

“It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority.” -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist No. 28

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa28.htm

This is clearly the product that was sold to our States and accepted, it matters not the lies and abuses of the government which took this product and twisted it into something new, for it was NEVER their power to start with.

Washington Did not empower the United States Constitution, the people of the 13 States did. To the same end they did, and they did so on the account of what was sold to us as to its meaning!

The United States Federal government was not given “unwritten” and “implied” powers as the court has been corrupted into suggesting.

Our State’s have for far too long failed to uphold their most important duty of protecting our liberty from the encroachment of the Federal Government. Our freedom and our political system were depended upon the active and resolute resistants by our States.


9 posted on 02/24/2010 4:52:45 PM PST by Monorprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson