Posted on 02/16/2010 10:19:38 AM PST by FredJake
Date rape has been in our lexicon for a few decades now, fact is a majority of people have become quite familiar with the lines that separate consensual and non consensual sex. However, our present attitude about rape was not always the same as it is today. There has always been warnings to girls that they should not allow themselves to be in certain situations that could lead to unwanted advances from boys. There has been many a woman who has claimed they were raped while the only defense the man had was the girl allowed things to progress past a point of no return for him.
I remember when I was but 12 years old, and I would accompany my older sister and her friend to the beach. My sisters always wore a one piece, but her friend would always wear this practically see-through white bikini just to lie down on a towel to sunbath. I must admit that I paid close attention to her as she laid there on her towel. After all, I was but six removed from being a full fledged teenager, and my hormones were already beginning to cause problems in my life. It was the late “60”s and I was well aware of the sentiment that we should love the one we were with if we could not be with the one we loved. Then again, I also remember the same girl telling my sister that a boy she was making out with on the beach raped her one day.
My sister convinced her to report it to the police and after some investigation they decided that there was no way they would be able to get a conviction because of the way the girl carried on with the boy on the beach. Now, today the results of the investigation would be much different as we now have the understanding that “no” means “no”, regardless of when during the encounter a girl uses that word. It is true though, that regardless of which side of the argument you agree with, someone will inevitably have a strongly felt conviction of why you are wrong. Personally I believe that everyone involved needs to take responsibility for how they conduct themselves. I also believe that such an accusation or charge can always be avoided if everyone obeyed God's precepts that only couples who are married should be having sex. So in my opinion, obeying this simple command could......
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Your hypothetical starts in the courtroom with a strictly, “he said , she said” case. It’s a nonstarter.
In such a case, I would hope that the judge or jury would find reasonable doubt. Frankly, I would never, and in fact never did, refer a case that was simply a “he said, she said” case. Some can be very tough calls, but I would never want to see an innocent man get convicted.
On the other hand, there are women that file false complaints... as far as I am concerned, they can throw away the key on those pieces of trash.
It would depend on how strong a case they each made and how believable they were I suppose. How would anyone make that kind of determination? But the original discussion was if saying no part way through sex and the person disregarded it, was that rape and I can’t see how it’s not. Determining it in a court of law however would prove difficult with no other evidence than hearsay. But simply because something is difficult to prove doesn’t make it ok or legal. That is my point.
I’m curious. Would you say it works the same the other way?
If the woman is on top and the man has a change of heart and says “No, stop, I don’t want to do this. Please get off of me” and the woman continues to have sex with him, is that rape on her part?
That’s right. Rape is a crime of violence in which sex is the weapon.
Sorry about the mix up.
We disagree then, fundamentally. She is able to say no at any point.
If I understand you correctly, in your world a boy is a dog is a pig is a rat.
That’s something you two have in common, now.
Did you read the article?
“She is able to say no at any point.”
I don’t disagree with that verbatim statement. But under NO circumstances should a reasonable jury call it RAPE. Misdemeanour assault, fine. But UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES “rape”.
“If the woman is on top and the man has a change of heart and says “No, stop, I don’t want to do this. Please get off of me” and the woman continues to have sex with him, is that rape on her part?”
Yes.
Good on you for a response that’s clear, direct and consistent.
Unwanted sex forced upon anyone is rape. There are plenty of women in the world capable of such disgusting things.
If there are woman who can kill their own babies, I see no reason to think there would be women above raping a man (or another woman, or a child).
And thankfully, the things we can’t sort out in courts will be sorted out by God himself in the next life.
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