Posted on 02/14/2010 5:24:07 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
Former Vice President Dick Cheney came out in favor of repealing "Don't ask, don't tell," (DADT) today.
Cheney said that the support of military leaders had convinced him that it was time for a change.
"Twenty years ago the military were strong advocates of 'Don't ask, don't tell.' I think things have change significantly since then," Cheney said on ABC's "This Week."
I think that society has moved on. It's partly a generational question," he continued. "When the [Joint] Chiefs come forward and say 'we think we can do it,' is strikes me that it's time to reconsider the policy."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
So, let’s put this into perspective: Anyone saying they like to hump sheep, dogs, goats, horses, or ducks cannot get a security clearance and will be thrown out of the military, yet, anyone saying they like to hump other men in the butt is to be, what, awarded a medal?
I think it’s a combination of the pathetic grammar skills that are typical today and a troll’s attempt to backpedal.
im 23 and handicap ..thanks :-(
It’s a lying pro-homosexual agenda troll.
Along with many others who are apparently welcomed on FR with open arms.
You are a queer, and a troll. You admitted here in post #104 on this thread.
You're just like all the other queers who claim your "sexual preference is not relative" (your quote) and insist everyone knows your perversion, that's what this debate is about and is exactly why you are on this website on this thread demanding that sodomites in the military be allowed to announce their perversion publicly.
On this subject, he is wrong.
He is voting with his heart, and not his mind.
I am pretty sure that when i am in the company of homosexuals, there is very little lusting going on. I wouldnt consider having anything to do (sexually) with them, and I am sure they are not considering having anything to do with me. As I am sure they are with you.
When I am in the company of beautiful women, they too are quite safe. As I am sure they are with you.
Do you really believe that adults cannot control their primal lusts—especially in a place as inhospitable to lust as the Army?
As wonderful as I am, I got over the image of me as “sex god” (except to my Vermont Captain!) a long time ago. I suggest that folks on their board do the same.
Trust me, the rest of your post doesn't help your case.
Jesus Christ DID NOT condone sin, he called for REPENTANCE. If there is nothing wrong with sin, there is no need for Salvation.
I have many freepers friends here who knows me personally that knows I'm no troll,
Where are they? I don't see them defending you. Was one of them lmarie373? She was a troll who got zotted a couple nights ago.
You have to understand that Wagglebee thinks he is Jesus Christ.lolol
You apparently know very little about the general habits of homosexuals.
lol.. youbetcha ><>
Actually, you did.
are you judging me?
It's more of an observation based upon years of experience with your sort.
The fact is we have Q everywhere and how we treat them might help keeping the peace as Jesus did with the sinners.
Did you get this from some secular group? This IS NOT what Jesus did at all.
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. (Matthew 10:34)
The increasing acceptance in American society of homosexual behavior has resulted in two disturbing trends, both based on lies. Lie #1 is the pervasive myth that there is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior, that anyone who thinks of it as sin is ‘intolerant.’ Lie #2, ironically, is many Christians’ intolerance of gays as human beings. The second is an extreme backlash at the first.
The second, while not as obvious to evangelical Christians, is ultimately more dangerous, because it fails to reflect God’s thoughts toward gays. It is certainly not in line with God’s demands of how a believer should treat fellow human beings, yet it often is done in the name of Jesus.
Yes, it’s sin
For the purposes of this study, let’s just get this out of the way: same-sex sex is sinful. We could go into all the verses, but there are plenty of books and sites defending this position, and concentrating on this one area would distract from the message that is central to this study. This study is aimed at Christians who already believe that homosexual behavior is at odds with biblical teaching. Of those, many are not reacting to homosexuals in a way that reflects God’s heart towards them.
Does God hate gays?
A few years ago, I witnessed one of the most horrific sights I have ever seen. It happened while I watched TV coverage of the funeral of Matthew Shepherd. A group of professing Christians had traveled to Montana just to hold signs outside the funeral protesting the gay lifestyle. They taunted the victim’s parents as they came out of the memorial service. They yelled at the parents that their son is now in Hell. They held up signs that said “God hates fags.” Not only were they not representing the spirit of Christ, they were putting words in God’s mouth, a dangerous practice, to say the least.
Recently, I was relating this story to a Christian friend, and she cut me off before I could finish. She put her hand up toward me and said “Stop it. You’re hurting my heart!” I would submit to you that hatred of gays hurts God’s heart, as well. While most Christians don’t hold up signs with blatant messages, many do entertain hateful thoughts toward this group of people. This attitude is untenable and biblically unsupportable.
Why do so many Christians have such venom toward gays?
The passage to which many Christians point is located in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
Let’s examine this more closely. This passage makes no distinction of the degree that each of the listed behaviors is abhorrent to God. It lumps alcoholism with fornication, and homosexuality with covetousness. If God didn’t bother separating one sin out from that list, why do we?
Such were some of you
One possible reason that believers cull this one sin out of the list for special derision is that many of us, at least in 21st-Century America, can identify with most of the items on that list. We can understand how easy it is to fall into the sins of drunkenness or fornication, because we remember ourselves how it was when we were young. But most of us can’t say the same for homosexuality, so we make a distinction.
However, in this passage, God makes no such distinction. The listed sins seem to be all the same to Him. I believe this is what Paul means when he says “such were some of you.” He’s reminding the Christians in Corinth (as well as you and me) that we all have a past consisting of things displeasing to God. The fact that the Holy Spirit pulled some of us out of the mire means our role is to help others come out of similar (if not the same) sin, so that we all may enjoy a life-giving relationship with Jesus Christ. It goes without saying that being hateful toward any person does not help them come out of anything.
Practical application
Do you have a co-worker or neighbor who is living with someone to whom they are not married? Are you friendly with them? Would you be as friendly if their live-in lover were of the same sex? This is really what it boils down to. Both types of sexual sin in this example are equally displeasing to God.
If it is commonly known at your workplace that you are a Christian, the fact that you are nicer to the straight co-worker who is living in sin than the gay one will be perceived by the gay person as typical of Christians, further driving them away from believers, and reducing the chance of their ever being receptive to the good news of the Gospel.
What does the bible say about how we are to treat gays?
A better way to word this question is “What does the bible say about how we are to treat others?” The most important thing to remember is that we are all made in His image. An attitude of hatred toward anyone, believer or unbeliever, straight or homosexual, is inconsistent with the way we should treat any person that God has created.
Phillippians 2:3-5
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus
Paul spent much of the second chapter of Philippians explaining the importance of treating everyone with respect and dignity; even to the point of considering them more important than yourself. Is carrying a sign which says “God hates fags” in line with this passage?Remember John3:16?.. we all sin thank God for his grace ><>
If you’re going to cut and paste you need to cite your source, I know for certain that YOU did not write this and the fact remains that much of it contradicts your previous posts.
Cheney is a great guy and remember his daughter is lesbian so I find no fault here since I'm one to~~~~
What were you trying to type at the end of the line there? Just curious.
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