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The Education of John Jay - America’s indispensable diplomat (MUST READ AMERICAN HISTORY!)
City Journal ^ | Winter 2010 | Myron Magnet

Posted on 02/08/2010 12:37:57 AM PST by neverdem

Few could fathom why 55-year-old John Jay turned down President Adams’s nomination to rejoin the Supreme Court when his two terms as New York’s governor ended. What would lead him, in the hale prime of life, to retire instead to the plain yellow house he’d just built on a hilltop at the remote northern edge of Westchester County, two days’ ride from Manhattan, where visitors were few and the mail and newspapers came but once a week? After 27 years at the forge of the new nation’s founding, why would so lavishly talented a man give up his vital role on the world stage for the quiet life of a gentleman farmer?...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; americanrevolution; founders; foundingfathers; godsgravesglyphs; johnadams; johnjay
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It's long, but worth the effort, IMHO.
1 posted on 02/08/2010 12:37:58 AM PST by neverdem
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To: Pharmboy

This is a gem, IMHO.


2 posted on 02/08/2010 12:40:16 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Yes, a great article. I got about half-way through reading it and will finish it tomorrow.
3 posted on 02/08/2010 12:54:55 AM PST by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: All

BUMP for later reading...


4 posted on 02/08/2010 1:16:10 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: neverdem

great article, thank you!!

I’d never known nearly so much about John Jay, beyond the main outline of his achievements and offices

A truly incredible member of our founding fathers

I had not at all realized how crucial a role he played in the treaty negotiations with France and in protecting US interests therin — that is often presented as a Franklin-dominated effort, but this certainly makes it seem that the new USA would have been greatly disadvantaged had Jay not engaged in such subtle and determined negotiations.


5 posted on 02/08/2010 1:31:32 AM PST by Enchante (Obamanation: are you really concerned about "foreign" campaign donations? Let's see all of yours!!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting...great read.


6 posted on 02/08/2010 1:32:26 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: neverdem

One thought which I’ve had many times before, but which this article impresses upon me even more strongly (because Jay is relatively neglected as one of the key “founders”) is that if one takes a list of the key members of that generation, each one individually and most certainly all of them together are greater, wiser, more moral, more admirable than virtually ANY political leaders ever produced in the Muslim world!

Really, where in the entire history of the Islamic world is there even one leader of such admirable qualities and ideas??? Sure one can point to “great” warriors and “great” tyrants in the Islamic world, but where has there ever been a “great” leader for freedom, constitutional government, and citizens’ rights?

Well, of course, those principles and achievements are virtually non-existent in the entire Islamic world, since “Sharia” law and Muslim beliefs, customs, etc are so much at odds with the principles of a free republic.

Thinking about John Jay, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Ben Franklin et al.... and of course one can continue the list and also argue the relative merits and order of priority for each one..... truly an amazing generation for all of world history.... but Muslims cannot produce even ONE such figure, or else he/she would be quickly put to death!


7 posted on 02/08/2010 1:43:06 AM PST by Enchante (Obamanation: are you really concerned about "foreign" campaign donations? Let's see all of yours!!)
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To: All

oops, I would certainly include John Adams in any such list!!!

and, of course, the list can be considerably expanded with those who had at least one major achievement and/or contribution during that era.... John Paul Jones and quite a variety of early military leaders etc.


8 posted on 02/08/2010 1:55:09 AM PST by Enchante (Obamanation: are you really concerned about "foreign" campaign donations? Let's see all of yours!!)
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To: neverdem

All American students should be required to take a biography course featuring the patriots of the American Revolution every year. Just reading the Founding Fathers’ quotations is quite illuminating of their thought processes, education and moral values.


9 posted on 02/08/2010 2:04:21 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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Very good piece showing the time and Jays place in the sequence of events.
It would make for an interesting series to focus on Jay, and his wife, such as was done in the excellent John Adams series.

I especially enjoyed how Jay matured into his position and learned how to deal with Euro intrigue and falsehoods...very good reading!
10 posted on 02/08/2010 2:07:43 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: neverdem

What an incredibly impressive man! Thank you for posting this article, it is a real treat.


11 posted on 02/08/2010 2:24:38 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: skr

Even in the ‘70s at what was considered a good suburban public school, the level of education in US history was rather poor. I tried to read and study up a lot more on my own, out of interest and also out of a sense that citizens ought to know a lot more than what was being offered in my high school.

With all the rabid liberalism and political correctness since then, I’d guess that few students learn even what was typical in my high school of that era. Yet, even then it was a rather weak coverage of the founders and the whole revolutionary period.


12 posted on 02/08/2010 2:49:44 AM PST by Enchante (Obamanation: are you really concerned about "foreign" campaign donations? Let's see all of yours!!)
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To: neverdem

later


13 posted on 02/08/2010 2:50:05 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: neverdem

Thank you for posting. Very interesting reading.


14 posted on 02/08/2010 4:32:18 AM PST by Redhd2
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To: neverdem

ping for later


15 posted on 02/08/2010 4:34:53 AM PST by Wife of D28Man
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To: Enchante

“With all the rabid liberalism and political correctness since then, I’d guess that few students learn even what was typical in my high school of that era. “

This is the biggest danger to our Republic now. How can we have a good government elected by an ill-informed citizenry?


16 posted on 02/08/2010 4:42:43 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: neverdem
At the Virginia constitutional ratifying convention, Patrick Henry was deeply suspicious of the northeastern states. Since they were dependent on ship borne trade and not agriculture, he feared that they would purposely shut down Mississippi River access for southern farm goods in order to ensure a permanently weak south.

Your post filled in many blanks regarding this matter. Thanks.

17 posted on 02/08/2010 5:35:09 AM PST by Jacquerie (There is food value in beer. There is no beer value in food.)
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To: neverdem

bump for later...


18 posted on 02/08/2010 6:05:10 AM PST by BallparkBoys (Republicans spend $100,000 getting women into clothes while Democrats spend $100,000 getting women o)
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To: neverdem

bump for later


19 posted on 02/08/2010 6:17:53 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: neverdem
Bump!


20 posted on 02/08/2010 7:56:14 AM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart. WHO DAT!)
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