Posted on 02/06/2010 8:07:11 AM PST by ricks_place
Fanatics must stop playing fast and loose with global warming data
As a climate change agnostic–and I suspect most of us are, especially now, and more especially after the Guardian series this week–I've been bothered by two aspects of the argument. The first is the religious overtone. Humankind has always wanted to blame its own behaviour for natural events, whether Noah's flood, plagues of frogs, or volcanos which demonstrate that the gods are angry.
Three years ago a British bishop announced that gay marriage had caused our floods. I've often wondered whether global warming is another example of this, an irrational belief designed for a rationalist world.
And there is an element of religious faith in the true believers. Those who disagree are "deniers", with its echo of fanatics who don't believe in the Holocaust. Years ago I saw a sceptic howled down at a British Association meeting; scientists shouldn't behave like that. If people disagree with you they might not be morally wrong, or agents of Satan. (Or big oil, as the believers often claim.) This ties in with my second worry. Clearly many believers have played fast and loose with the data: since what they believe is true beyond doubt, they have a right – no, a moral duty – to suppress any evidence that might contradict them.
Years ago I cowrote a book, Bizarre Beliefs, about various crazy things people believe in, such as astrology, the Bermuda Triangle and spiritualism. Most of them generated vast amounts of data from which believers simply cherry-picked whatever suited their case. The world's climate produces millions upon millions of facts and figures, and it's very easy to select the ones that suit you and ignore all the rest.
Of course I don't know who's right. But I'm not surprised to see the true believers struggling.
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
Here’s a great article/interview that totally busts the “rising sea level” bs;
http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
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It is interesting how a major event can be used for opposing arguments. For example the monster mid Atlantic snow storm. I have seen numerous ah ha comments snarling “take that global warming”. On the other hand it is reported that, yes, this is actually because of global warming. The rationale there is that since the Pacific Ocean was 2 degrees above normal last summer we are having an extremely strong El Nino which has been putting lots of water across the Northern Hemisphere, including these record snows and floods in California.
Now whether this is part of a normal El Nino, La Nino oscillation, or actually global warming is up for debate. It could just be normal fluctuation, especially after the longer than usual quiet sun period. However, it is pretty well established that a warm Pacific does lead to strong El Ninos.
Aside from the pro or con of the argument, it does make sense for us to conserve our finite resources, and develop all that we can, especially those that can be made in the USA, and stop paying for oil to unfriendly nations.
Here is a link on the current major mid Atlantic storm:
You have to remember that this was a paid for "political project".
They had a little bit on from one of our local schools about conserving energy. The kids had a list...
No. 1 on the List: "turn out the lights when you leave a room" No.2 "Turn off the computer"
These were 4th graders. Big whooppee...Their parents hev been telling them this all along. This is education??
The other side (the manmade global warming believers) does it all the time in order to rationalize why the factual data may differ from their beliefs. It is no longer global warming but climate change, which can cover anything and everything.
The believers have a hard time explaining why their climate change models aren't working, i.e., there has been no global warming since 1998. If manmade global warming is the result of build ups of CO2, then why the current cooling? It reminds me of Obama's claiming all of the jobs he has saved despite the continuing loss of jobs. The response: It would have been far worse without Obama's intervention.
I want the other side to explain Climategate and the falsification of data to substantiate their theories. The science is far from settled. In fact, the greatest scientific hoax ever perpetuated on mankind is manmade global warming.
There are four pillars upon which rests present day “thought”: i.e. Hysteria, Histrionics, Decadence and Degeneration.
Must be.
In spite of overwhelming evidence of manipulation and fraud, the parade of lemmings and retards moves on...
CO2, carbon credits, and the other vodoo crap.
So what are you doing here?
You can go frolic among the fruitcakes on this thread...
the environmental movement is a religious movement, and needs to be banned from the classrooms
Which finite resources?
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