Do not feed the trolls, they will keep coming back. Just like welfare queens.
Posted on 02/05/2010 8:10:31 PM PST by Bigtigermike
SALINA — Before a crowd of 6,000 cheering fans, Sarah Palin received rock star treatment Friday night in Salina.
The former vice presidential candidate and former Alaska governor, drew a sell-out crowd to the Bicentennial Center for the Salina Area Chamber of Commerce annual meeting — an event that routinely draws big names to Salina. Past speakers have included Colin Powell, George H.W. Bush, Bob Costas, Margaret Thatcher and Cal Ripkin Jr.
"We've had great speakers in the past," said Todd Davidson, of the Chamber. "No one has generated this amount of interest — even President George H.W. Bush, who came here when he was a sitting president, did not drive this kind of a response."
Even Palin couldn't ignore the excitement her appearance generated. Back stage, she said, a chamber member told her, " 'Man, this is like a Van Halen concert.' I said, 'Man, I wish.' "
In her speech, Palin sounded off on national security, government bailouts and limited government ideals. And she offered lots of praise for the hometown crowd.
"In a time when folks so fear that much is going wrong, your town is an example of how to get it right and how to soar," said Palin, who was joined in Salina by her daughter, Piper. "Shoot, your state's motto even has it right: to the stars through difficulties."
Palin began by relating her experiences as a city councilwoman and mayor in Wasilla, Alaska. What worked there, she said, was cutting taxes, focusing on a few core services and spending responsibly. As governor, she said she learned to take tough stances.
"I'd have to butt heads with my own party officials and the other party, of course too, and the media," said Palin, who didn't meet with reporters on her trip to Salina. "Some things never change. It wasn't always the easy path, but it was the right path."
Telling the crowd she was going to "call is like I see it," she said Washington, D.C., politicians need to "back off." While Americans have lost jobs and learned to live with less, she charged that government has become more bloated.
"Over the past year, Washington has replaced private irresponsibility with public irresponsibility," she said.
The country, she said, needs health reform "not backroom deals." She suggested measures like allowing insurance purchases across state lines and tort reform.
Also, she said the country needs to pursue "all of the above approach to energy." She said increased drilling for oil must be pursued.
"Drill here and drill now and tap our own plentiful energy supplies," she said.
The Obama administration, she said, has lost its way on foreign policy. She said people wonder if the United States is still a "beacon of hope" for freedom.
"We need a foreign policy that distinguishes America's friends from her enemies and recognizes the true nature of these threats that we are facing," Palin said.
In the end, her speech brought the crowd to its feet.
Earlier in the night, Verlene and Joyce Jackson, of Chapman, said they hope to see Palin as president someday and like that she hasn't "always been in that ivory tower."
"She has a fresh outlook," Verlene Jackson said. "She speaks for us. She's a down home girl. I feel like personally, I think she would do a good job representing us."
DeVee Smalley drove in from Superior, Neb., to join her two daughters for Palin's speech.
"I think she is somebody who is trying to reach out to the heartland of America," Smalley said.
Palin will be back in Kansas May 2 to speak in Wichita at a fundraiser for a Christian school.
And the fact that some of the Palin Fringe are simply not very smart or really knowledgeable enough to respond, so they do what a child would when confronted by the 'bookworm' - they revert to name calling and posting their little Troll Be Gone graphics.
FTR: I agree w/Palin's decision as gov to tax the oil co.'s. It's AK's oil, if Exxon wants it, pay AK citizens for it. (The argument could be made that corps shouldn't pay any taxes because they employ the local populace, other businesses spring up or expand a/c the favorable econ climate, but that's another topic).
When our nation was in its infancy it was sustained by money from tariffs paid by foreign imports. That can create a lot of problems in an imperfect world. And if corps are not to be taxed is it then fair to tax the individual?
If we're to have a govt, at any level, it needs to be funded. I believe it's the rate of taxation, not the tax per se, that causes much consternation amongst free market advocates.
Your questions are legitimate and politely asked. I guess some respond like a resident of Memphis in the 1960-70s might if one was sitting in a Beale St club and declared, "I don't care for that Presley guy, never thought he to be much of a singer".
Disclaimer: jla likes Elvis' songs and does not believe any of the words in the songs' lyrics should be "removed from our lexicon"
That's how decent people turn into scum politicians, they "owe" somebody and have to "pay off".
You either do what is right because of principle or you do what some people want, regardless of principle, because you "owe" them.
Personally, I was hoping Palin was better than the latter.
That’s the most powerful pro-Palin prose I’ve ever had the privilege of reading. I hope you have the opportunity to speak to one of her crowds of tens of thousands, as she plainly speaks what America needs to hear, and makes the sacrifices that come before her in the next three years.
Hey, what are you doing for the 2012 Republican/Tea Party convention?
Aha! Thanks.
But the Libertarian ideal isn't in play -- in fact, the state owns much of the land in Alaska. If YOU personally owned land that had a bunch of oil on it, would you allow oil companies to drill on it for free?
In the REAL world, private land owners work out contracts with the oil companies by which the landowner is usually paid royalties that escalate or shrink dependent on the market price of a barrel of oil. Why should Alaska or any other state in the union be any different? Frankly, Alaska's practice of distributing those royalties directly to citizens to spend, save, or invest as they please, is a HELL of a lot more conservative than funneling that money into state bureacracies.
Again, you're confusing Libertarianism with Conservatism.
I didn’t realize that is this coming week.
Where did I say that?
I didn't, so your whole post is based on what you WANT me to have written, so you could then bash me.
I didn't say it, because I don't believe it, so your post is pointless in the extreme.
You can believe that, it's you're right, but I don't buy it at all. One can look as someone and think "Whether or not I support this person, he or she COULD do the job."
I look at footage of pre-election Reagan and think "That guy COULD do the job." I look at footage of pre-election Carter and think "Who could buy this moron?" Similarly, I look at many people and think "They COULD do the job, because of the staff that props them up, but that doesn't make them presidential."
Your position is your position. I don't agree with it. Of course one can show presidential timber (not a phrase I care for) before being president--are presidents the only people who are intelligent, brave, can think on their feet, are thoughtful, original, share my values, don't lie, are creative thinkers, well-versed in the history and literature of their chosen field? I look at most folks who've run for president, and they fail my test. I see no reason to lower my standards.
Just a note: I sure am enjoying your posts on this thread. Thanks for such good reading and tasty food for thought.
Remember: in the 2008 election, Obama’s campaign had an army of internet trolls posting in forums and pretending to be conservatives. We will see more of this, and many trolls will have old “seasoned” accounts.
Darkwolf377 might be part of this troll army, or he could be a “lone wolf.”
If she runs I’m voting for her....and there isn’t a human being alive that can stop me.
Do not feed the trolls, they will keep coming back. Just like welfare queens.
You replied: "Funny, I don't recall saying that. Bit defensive when someone dares to ask a simple question. Guess I touched a nerve."
Early in this thread, you asked, and I quote: "How is making oil companies send checks to Alaskans conservative?" You say it's what I WANT you to have written? IT'S WHAT YOU WROTE. That was the "simple question" that inspired a whole bunch of equally simple, straightforward posts here explaining how yes, it WAS indeed a conservative way to handle royalties paid to the state for extracting oil from state-owned property.
When people explained to you that the checks were royalties paid to the citizens of Alaska for the use of state-owned land for oil drilling, you continued to protest, leading one to the reasonable conclusion that you must therefore be advocating the idea that the oil companies should be able to use the land for free -- either that, or that the royalties paid by the oil companies should remain in the state's coffers, but THAT is certainly not conservative and it would be disrespecting your brains and dignity to think that's what you meant.
I continue to conclude that at the bottom, you're confusing Libertarianism -- the idea that the state shouldn't own the land in the first place -- with conservatism. I suggest that you're inclined to indulge the confusion because such misrepresentations boost the firepower of the ammunition you use to bash Palin.
It's interesting to see how few ways people can find to bash Palin without being misleading. Folks can legitimately bash her for her support of McCain (that bugs me) and for the fact that she did make it more expensive for oil companies to do business in Alaska. Those are two absolutely legit things folks can throw at Palin. But they're both fairly weak in the big Palin picture, so folks who don't like Palin have to resort to misrepresentation and distortion of truth to bash her more effectively.
It looks to me like your nerves are the ones getting frazzled becuase you're lashing out at me for no reason and are shooting blanks.
Any rational person can look at what I wrote, look at your loooong, spittle-flecked responses, and make a judgment about who's "lashing out and shooting blanks." ;)
Next time, just try giving a straight answer--then you don't have to get that headache you've got from all yer spinning. :)
What’s with the rank sexism? Was Thatcher out of line serving as a political leader as well?
Early in this thread, you asked, and I quote: "How is making oil companies send checks to Alaskans conservative?" You say it's what I WANT you to have written? IT'S WHAT YOU WROTE.
Uh, what you CLAIMED I said isn't what I wrote. Where did I write that any company should drill on state lands for free?
Answer: I didn't. You, though, have jumped to the ridiculous conclusion that because I asked "What's conservative about this position?" that means I think any company should be able to drill etc. etc.
You're either a liar, or you can't read. Pick one.
I continue to conclude that at the bottom, you're confusing Libertarianism -- the idea that the state shouldn't own the land in the first place -- with conservatism. I suggest that you're inclined to indulge the confusion because such misrepresentations boost the firepower of the ammunition you use to bash Palin.
And you continue to be wrong, for the same reason.
And, once again, I ask--where have I "bashed" Palin--when I simply asked about the conservative position on something which, we now learn from this thread, was merely her following the state Constitution and not something she dreamed up on her own, or when I said, if forced to choose now, that I would support her over any other candidate currently out there?
I'll put my independence of mind over your silly labelling of anyone as a "basher" as being the mark of a true conservative anyday, sporto. ;)
No.
You trolls(and you are trolls), are simplistic and childish.
“And to be honest it's used sometimes because you've no cogent rebuttal to offer.”
That canard has been discredited over and over and over again with very cogent rebuttals, not least of which she is currently leading in the polls amongst Republican voters for 2012, ks the top ratings drawer on TV whenever she appears, has had the top selling political book ever, etc etc).
Of course that hasn't stopped your clowns from repeating it every time anyway.
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