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Muddy Waters Cafe Needs $10,000 to Stay Open (Anti-profit coffee shop broke)
Portland Mercury ^ | Jan 5, 2010 | Sarah Mirk

Posted on 01/28/2010 10:14:06 PM PST by tlb

Eleven months after it went "anti-profit", Muddy Waters coffeeshop on SE Belmont says it will have to close its doors unless it can raise $10,000 by the end of the week.

Four co-owners/baristas took over the shop last February (more on that here), aiming to turn the sofa-laden cafe into a community center run on an "anti-profit" model that would pour any income other than their own four salaries back into good causes. In the last year, the cafe's calendar has been packed with open mic nights, movie nights and open jam sessions.

But things haven't gone according to the financial plan. Co-owner Sarah Dread says the cafe owners have been working for free since opening last February, supporting themselves with second jobs. "For the last few months, we've gotten to the point where we're losing money every day we're open. Business has been slowly declining," says Dread. The cafe has failed to claim 501(c)3 non-profit status as it originally planned.

Though Dread says Muddy Waters' landlords have been very accommodating, the building owners as well as the cafe co-owners have reached a breaking point. "It's been a long time coming. We're almost always out of at least some things because we can't afford to buy it," says Dread. The cafe is hosting fundraiser events daily through Sunday at the shop (2908 SE Belmont), including a pancake brunch this Saturday at 11 am.

Update 1/7: Muddy Waters says it will now be open 24/7 until Sunday and, as of Wednesday night, they've raised $1,800.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: coffee; dopeydems; lefties
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To: tlb

I don’t understand...... The business model just looked so... so... AUTHENTIC!!!


41 posted on 01/29/2010 3:08:12 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39
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To: tlb

Ha! Hope for some change.....
The owners are probably Obama voters too.


42 posted on 01/29/2010 3:26:13 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: tlb
"Four co-owners/baristas took over the shop last February (more on that here), aiming to turn the sofa-laden cafe into a community center run on an "anti-profit" model that would pour any income other than their own four salaries back into good causes."

Hmmmmm. Looks like they forgot that little budget item called "overhead". Things like rent, water bill, electricity, and on and on. Typical ignorant commies.

43 posted on 01/29/2010 3:31:02 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: EDINVA
"Isn’t that the lesson ole George McGovern"

Absolutely correct. He had a bed and breakfast and went bankrupt.

All time great line from the old fool:[paraphrase] "Well I guess I never knew how restrictive all those laws I helped write in Congress were on the small businessman."

44 posted on 01/29/2010 3:46:46 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Carling
I’m going to go there tomorrow to check this place out. I won’t spend a dime

Hah, just like the "regulars". :-)

45 posted on 01/29/2010 4:37:42 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: tlb
Wow! The feel gooders can’t even run a non profit cafe. Losers!
46 posted on 01/29/2010 4:41:18 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Carling

Are they still open? Article is dated 1/5/10.


47 posted on 01/29/2010 4:43:09 AM PST by EBH (An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced." ~~D'Aconia)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Another Commie experiment bites the dust. Will they ever learn?

They don't learn. Learning interferes with dreaming.

48 posted on 01/29/2010 5:01:44 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: tlb

I have seen several of these types of enterprise come and go here in our area. Always the same. Big opening, lots of hoopla, press coverage, free concerts, etc. Then, one day a few months later you drive by there and it’s closed, or it’s become a bail bond place.

Nothing teaches a lesson like experience.


49 posted on 01/29/2010 5:17:15 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: max americana

You mean dig through the dirty clothes hamper?


50 posted on 01/29/2010 5:31:16 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: liberty or death

They just got a valuable lesson in the difference between socialism and capitalism. One is good in the ideal zone but in the real world it just doesn’t work. Kinda like Communism. I hope they really feel good about all the hours of free time they gave to this failing project. Its not even a church so they couldn’t think of earning treasures in Heaven. This story should be told in every college in the nation. Capitalism works—always has, always will. It reminds me of the opening part of Little Orphan Annie— where the Bolshevik tries to bomb Daddy Warbucks because he was living proof Capitalism works.


51 posted on 01/29/2010 5:37:51 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: gigster

For sure!! Let me get this straight. First, it sounds like ‘not for profit’ is code for experimenting w/ communism. If thats the case there are any number of failed/failing enterprises to learn from. Why repeat the mistake?? Second, they’re working for free but taking second jobs at a for profit business to live. It makes no logical sense and is emblematic of the liberal mind set. That is, I’m going to goof around w/ marginal ideas but require the rest of the sane world to support me in it. The sad note in this is nothing will be learned from the failure.


52 posted on 01/29/2010 6:21:39 AM PST by 556x45
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To: tlb

While it is fun to laugh at their hippy-dippy “anti-profit” stance, their actual plan was no different from someone giving away the majority of the money they earn, keeping only enough for basic living expenses. I have no problem with their idea of giving away what they earned. I have no problem with their idea of buying local and keeping profits local. What they forgot was that to share your wealth you first need to create it. If they had been less hung up on ideology and more focused on creating a business they might have had some hope.

However, I suspect they would have failed even as a for-profit. They were young, naive, and had no business experience. The majority of small businesses fail, the rate for inexperienced, idealistic dreamers like this crew is probably higher.

They failed because apart from “anti-profit,” they had no real plan. For instance, had they gone non-profit (instead of “anti-profit”) and filed for 501(c)3 they might have had more room for maneuver. They also did not understand that the way you build strong communities is by having strong businesses. The best way to “give back” is by providing something the community needs and by providing the jobs that give stability and a “place in the world” to others.

Without idealists the world might be a crueler place, without pragmatists it would be a complete mess.


53 posted on 01/29/2010 6:33:20 AM PST by evilC
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Nam Vet
"There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." --Will Rogers
54 posted on 01/29/2010 8:42:36 AM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade; All

The story of the first couple of years of the Pilgrims at Plymouth is an eye opener. They were striving for a true “commonwealth” where all material things and food were shared in common. They nearly didn’t survive their second year as the lazy folks were taking more than what the workers were producing.

The despairing governor for the next spring planting decided to let folks have little parcels of their own and farm and raise animals as they saw fit as well as letting them give to the common store room and church as they would. Those “who did not work would not eat” (apostle Paul) was the new economic model and thus did the colony begin to prosper and not only prosper but there was extra for the common stores/and church for those who had or would fall into misfortune.

Thus an early foray into American socialism/communism was found to be a failure while biblically based free enter prise and capitalism flourished!


55 posted on 01/29/2010 11:27:28 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: SupplySider
Well put.

SupplySider, you must have been reading what I meant. I was too tired to be posting. This is the corrected version:

In capitalism every transaction is a win win transaction. The anti-profit bar is only conducting win-lose transactions. They mistakenly assume that for profit shops carry out win-lose transaction benefiting the shop. This process just leads to misery.

56 posted on 01/29/2010 12:58:05 PM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: tlb
yea, that was the ONLY coffeshop in Portland where free loading hippies hung out like they owned the place! oh, wait- they DO! Oh, my, goodness. WHAT a predicament. I would really like to add that the statement "working for free" is a flat out lie, in case anyone cares. They all had their bills PAID for each month by the profits the store made, and got TIPS to boot- for smokes and booze etc. Their kindhearted naive VOLUNTEERS, however, DID work for ONLY TIPS, UNINSURED, and taken utter advantage of. There are vagrant, thieving hippies LIVING in the shop, eating away the merchandise. The term "second job" is also a loosely used term. But i will refrain from even going there. Fundraisers they have had go to pay the co-owners bills, because they cannot grasp the idea of a professionally run, for-profit, legally occuring business. If a homeless refuge is what they wanted, they could have just done that, without the circle jerk title:"community anti-profit coffeehouse".
Posted by slupe on January 5, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Sounds like they owe a lot of corporate taxes to me.

57 posted on 01/29/2010 1:16:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: tlb

Bush’s fault.


58 posted on 01/29/2010 1:18:03 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

They did not work for free. They paid their bills and stuff from the top.


59 posted on 01/29/2010 1:20:55 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: DrDavid
SupplySider, you must have been reading what I meant. I was too tired to be posting. This is the corrected version:

In capitalism every transaction is a win win transaction. The anti-profit bar is only conducting win-lose transactions. They mistakenly assume that for profit shops carry out win-lose transaction benefiting the shop. This process just leads to misery.

Yes. I didn't want to mention the awkward wording, but I did divine your meaning. :)

60 posted on 01/30/2010 1:42:35 AM PST by SupplySider
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