Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged
A self-proclaimed born-again Christian who believes all abortions are a sin told his trial for murder today that he shot dead an abortion doctor in Wichita, Kansas, to protect unborn children.
Scott Roeder said he had bought a .22-calibre Taurus gun and ammunition on 30 May 2009, the day before he shot George Tiller, and practised target shooting with his brother. Then he checked into a motel in Wichita, and the next day followed Tiller to the church in the town where the doctor was an usher.
His defence lawyer asked: "Did you go and shoot Dr Tiller?"
Roeder replied: "Yes."
His confession is part of his defence that he felt forced to kill in order to save the lives of unborn children. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.
It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.
The judge in the case, Warren Wilbert, caused dismay among pro-abortionists and doctors this month when he ruled that Roeder would be allowed to present his justification to the court. Wilbert will decide later in the trial in Kansas whether the jury will be permitted to find the defendant guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter.
Tiller was killed in the Reformation Lutheran church with one shot to the head. He had long been a target for anti-abortionists as he was one of few doctors prepared to perform legal late abortions, after 21 weeks of gestation.
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I’m Pro Life and do not believe in murdering abortion doctors.
And once Abortion becomes illegal in all 50 states, not only should doctors who perform abortions be locked-up for life, but also the women who have abortions and the people who conspire with these women to kill their unborn babies should be locked up for life.
Again, I am Pro Life.
Sounds like a good argument...for the defense at Nuremberg.
Weasel out? He told the court plainly exactly what he did and why he did it. Weasels don't do that. They blame others. Like President Obama in his speech last night. There's your weasel.
And if the man of convictions believe the law is unjust, such that he will take action in contravention of it for the cause of justice, why on earth would he be willing to be judged by the unjust law? A sensible man would protest it with vigor, and leave his fate in God's hands.
You’re spot on. No one needs that kind of “help”.
No it sorta doesn't. In fact, it very much emboldens it. Whose God are you talking about? The Indian's God(s)? The Muslim God? The God of Rah? The Gods of Asgard?
We AREN'T a theocracy, we're a Republic built out of law. When you start advocating that people start breaking the laws of man for the laws of their God, then you might as rename Washington, Tehran.
No one in THIS country gets to break the laws of the people out of some notion of moral superiority.
The man committed murder and should be locked-up.
And yes, abortion should be against the law, but even with 9 of the last 12 justices of the SCOTUS being appointed by Republican Presidents, Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land.
Once Roe is overturned, the people will prosecute those who have and those who preform abortions with murder.
How so?
I bet doctors considering doing late term abortions may decide not to do so because they could have the same fate. I say his actions have saved lives.
Your hero is a disgusting wretch who murdered another disgusting wretch, and nothing more.
“Its always fun to view your posts.You are so predictable.”
Thanks, and yes it is predictable that my posts on this issue will always come done on the side of Life.
Kansas Statutes Amended:
Chapter 21: Crimes And Punishments
PART I.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 32: Principles Of Criminal Liability
Statute 21-3211: Use of force in defense of a person; no duty to retreat.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force.
(b) A person is justified in the use of deadly force under circumstances described in subsection (a) if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.
(c) Nothing in this section shall require a person to retreat if such person is using force to protect such person or a third person.
A well crafted defense would establish that Roeder believed that abortions cause death or great bodily harm to a third person, after which the definition of "imminent" will be put to the test. IMHO, if Tiller had an abortion appointment scheduled for the following day, I'd call that imminent. You're right. We are a nation of laws...it will be interesting to see how this one is applied.
The prosecutor fought with the judge over letting him put on this defense. I wonder if she is trying to throw the case. Judge said he would be overturned in a heartbeat if he agreed with her.
If the jury decides it is voluntary manslaughter and not first degree murder, the precedent is not good. I don’t want some whacked out lib getting up and convincing a jury he had a right to murder someone because of what that person did. The left has great power to taint jury pools. They could demonize a victim, say a corporte polluter, and get away with first degree murder.
Somebody say otherwise?
And once Abortion becomes illegal in all 50 states, not only should doctors who perform abortions be locked-up for life, but also the women who have abortions and the people who conspire with these women to kill their unborn babies should be locked up for life.
That's fine. But I'd have to disagree that this gunman has hurt the pro-life cause. I wouldn't ever murder anyone but who's to say he didn't save many lives?
Again, I am Pro Life.
Is there an echo in here?
“I bet doctors considering doing late term abortions may decide not to do so because they could have the same fate. I say his actions have saved lives.”
That being the case, Mr. Roeder should feel satisfied with his accomplishment , as he will have plenty of time to think about it as he stares at the grey wall of a prison cell for the rest of his life.
German was a totalitarian dictatorship devoid of law except those dictated by the Fuhrer. We are a representative republic, with laws written by for and of the people.
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