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1 posted on 01/22/2010 9:49:56 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

About time the rest of history starts to be told.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 9:54:14 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut

That can’t be right!

Stalin was a GREAT guy!

Just read some of Pulitzer Prize winner Walter Duranty’s articles in the New York Times from that era. You’ll see!

;-)


3 posted on 01/22/2010 9:56:42 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: toshut

Join us today on the Glenn Beck TV Thread - live. Posted at 4:30 Eastern everyday.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 10:02:00 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: toshut

I am so glad beck is doing this. People need to know this.


7 posted on 01/22/2010 10:02:35 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: toshut

Having family that remained in Ukraine when my grandparents were sent over as children, I haven’t forgotten this.

But it doesn’t get much coverage.


9 posted on 01/22/2010 10:05:21 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: toshut; ZULU

I know I’m preaching to the choir, but sometimes it’s such a relief to be heard...

I heard Beck talking yesterday -— he said something like that “Uncle Joe” and “Chairman Mao” are seen as cuddly, almost teddy-bear-like because of all the propaganda from the Left.

That is SOO true! For most people/Americans?, chills don’t radiate up their spines, alarm bells going off, such as when they certain other tyrants’ photos. If nothing else, Stalin and Mao are just two more politicians, to many, thanks to the control of history, the state schools, the entertainment industry by the leftists.


12 posted on 01/22/2010 10:09:19 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut; All

www.holodomor.org/

Enough said.

PS - It was probably more like 12-13 million.


13 posted on 01/22/2010 10:09:24 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: toshut
A good source of historical information on this tragedy is the book "The Harvest of Sorrow" by Robert Conquest.

Conquest states in his book that for every letter (not word) in it 20 people died. It's 411 pages long.

22 posted on 01/22/2010 10:19:55 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: toshut

Every member of the Communist Parties of Eastern Europe should have been banned from holding political office or voting for life. They should have been tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like the National Socialists, even if the process took decades. Because they weren’t, we have to put up with scum like Putin and the other reinvented commies in the former Soviet Empire.


23 posted on 01/22/2010 10:20:13 AM PST by hellbender
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The only reason that I know about the Ukrainian genocide is that my father, who only had a high school education (he finished school at night during the Depression), told me about it when I was a boy. I never heard about it in high school or college courses, although I learned more from some college classmates who were of Ukrainian descent, but that was on our own time.

My father, who was a truly intelligent man, also railed about Fabian socialism (I think Beck will talk about this tonight), Mussolini (we’re Italian), and FDR.

Dad, I wish you were alive to watch this show with me tonight!


29 posted on 01/22/2010 10:32:04 AM PST by paterfamilias
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And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other "intellectuals" travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn't see anything.

Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.

31 posted on 01/22/2010 10:37:48 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other "intellectuals" travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn't see anything.

Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.

32 posted on 01/22/2010 10:38:21 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: toshut

If you do not get Foxnews, or cannot watch it on a VCR or DVR, then Foxnews can be watched live on line at:

http://www.foxnewsunderground.com/stream3/

or after the show, as a recording online at

http://www.therightscoop.com/

More information on the Ukrainian Famine of 1933 can be found here:

http://www.faminegenocide.com/index.html

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html


34 posted on 01/22/2010 10:55:42 AM PST by toshut
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America’s biggest trading partner venerates Mao (I believe his “immortal” remains are still on display in a Mausoleum). His death toll vastly exceeded Hitler’s. It’s kind of chilling to think about. Scads of holocaust films, memorials, easy and ongoing villification of krauts and yet the country that in some way even “economically owns” the USA... and to whom the USA has shed millions of jobs, was actually worse than Hitler in terms of sheer numbers of slaughtered human beings... (as was America’s Soviet ally in WW2).

I don’t know what it means, except that some holocausts are more holocausty than others, so long as the ideology is/was popular among intellectuals. And let’s face it, communism is/was extremely popular among the so-called Intellighenzia.

Naturally, it’s like comparing rotten fish with rotten meat... but, why isn’t the Holodomir common knowledge? 10/13 million people purposefully starved to death?

The conspiracy theorists have a ball blaming the Jews, (many Bolsheviks were Jews, many in the media, both info and entertainment were /are Jews).

I wish we would be given honest answers capable of putting things in perspective, without immediate cries of “vade retro Nazi!”

I think the real Jewish link has to do with the “Intellighenzia” and internationalst appeal. It would be only natural for them under their conditions (pogroms and suchlike) to go more towards the social as opposed to the cultural angle of totalitarianism.

Yes, I believe that it really isn’t a Jewish question, besides the fact that all those Jews were / are atheists, but a struggle between rich and complicated “scientific” utopian ideals and the more simplistic blood and soil, between “I have a dream” and this is “our volk and land.”

Well the omelette was made and there’s no getting the eggs back into their shells, but the huge disparity remains. Some of those slaughtered as a result of a couple of centuries of veneration of the state are surely worth more than others.

Another slaughter comes to mind, the one perpetrated by the “Enlightened” French right after their revolution for Liberty, Fraternity and Equality... the wholesale hecatomb perpetrated upon the people of the Vendée. This too is not taught.


36 posted on 01/22/2010 11:06:29 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: toshut

Lies, damned lies and statistics! Walter Duranty of that blessed oracle the NEW YORK TIMES says it was like a paradise on earth!

ok, Sarc/off


40 posted on 01/22/2010 11:31:52 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Are my guns loaded? Break in and find out.)
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To: toshut
all my life if have preached to the choir about the evils of socialism, either National Socialism or Communism...doesn't matter which...one puts a banana knife in your ear for disobeying, and the other kills you by the numbers by sending you to the gas chamber...Liberals think it IS a new outlook and is exciting and that the great ‘RIGHT WING” conspiracy is to blame for the worlds ills, instead of the sickness of greed and power...and remember, the old Communists HATED Fascism because they believed they were the better socialists...
43 posted on 01/22/2010 11:54:56 AM PST by Blackwatch2
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Little mention is made either that the second-class position of Jews in the Soviet Union began immediately after the Hitler-Stalin pact, and led, before Hitler's version of the "final solution", to the expulsion of nearly all Jews from Communist Party and from government in the Soviet Union, pogroms, mass starvation, forced Siberian exile and Gulag imprisonment for Jews, across the Soviet Union, and without respect to former position in party, government or society. Hitler just took it a few steps further.

Notice also that the left in the west has worked so hard to keep this bit of history suppressed, while simultaneously concentrating the public's mind on those same activities by Hitler - as if Hitler and Stalin had nothing in common (as the left's myth goes).

46 posted on 01/22/2010 1:26:59 PM PST by Wuli
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Bttt


47 posted on 01/22/2010 1:46:56 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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