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Our Second FReeper Book Club: The Debate over the Constitution
A Publius Essay | 20 January 2010 | Publius

Posted on 01/20/2010 11:29:03 AM PST by Publius

There is tendency for modern Americans to think that there was overwhelming support for replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution and that the process was rapid and without serious opposition. The truth is quite different. Those against the Constitution spoke first and with great vehemence, and after three weeks Alexander Hamilton realized the tide was turning against him. Thus he sat down, first with John Jay, and then with James Madison, to write detailed responses in favor of the Constitution to get New York’s ratifying convention to support the new document. These papers, published in the newspapers of the time, are known as the “Federalist Papers”. Those who opposed the new Constitution wrote pamphlets and newspaper articles that have been collected under the name “Anti-Federalist Papers”. Together, these writings define the debate over the Constitution.

At that time there was a vigorous adversarial press in America, and there was no line separating news reporting from editorial content. An American of the period subscribed to the newspaper that reflected his political prejudices. In New York, opinion grew so heated that supporters of one side would attack the offices of newspapers opposed to their view and smash the printing presses. Both sides engaged in this behavior, and the debate over the Constitution in New York City was a matter of mobs and blood, not refined debate in the drawing rooms of the city’s great patroon families.

With the official end of the American Revolution only four years in the past, the willingness to shed blood over the great issues of the day had not abated. Those against the Constitution viewed the entire process as a coup d’etat. Granted, it was a very gentlemanly coup, for no one had been hanged – yet! – but they viewed the Constitutional Convention and its aftermath as a betrayal of the “Spirit of ‘76".

It is this maelstrom of point and counterpoint that we wish to cover. After our successful FReeper Book Club on Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, Billthedrill and I decided to cover the debate over the Constitution by a chronologically interleaved reading of the Federalist Papers along with certain Anti-Federalist Papers, thus to trace that point and counterpoint.

There have been several attempts to run serial threads on the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers at Free Republic over the years, most of which have petered out quickly.

Our proposal is to try a more comprehensive approach. Ralph Ketcham, in The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates, printed a chronology of the publication of the various papers from both sides. Ketcham only cited certain Anti-Federalist Papers that were directly involved in the intellectual interchange between Hamilton, Madison, Jay, and the various Anti-Federalist writers. He left out the rest of the massive Anti-Federalist Papers collection from Herbert Storing’s seven volumes from the University of Chicago, which is supposed to be definitive. We decided to follow Ketcham’s example.

Morton Borden has taken various Anti-Federalist Papers and cut them down to 85 short essays, which he sees as a counterpoint to the 85 Federalist Papers. But he has copyrighted his work, so we decided not to use his collection.

By limiting our use of the Anti-Federalist Papers to Ketcham’s chosen few, we felt we had something of reasonable scope.

The Problem for the Modern Reader

Punctuation standards of the late Eighteenth Century are quite different from today, and the constant stop-and-go is the biggest difficulty for the modern reader. Standards for the use of capitals and italics were also different. The extreme length of paragraphs from some writers presents a problem, although Internet versions occasionally have the editors break the paragraphs down to modern standards. We decided to use modern standards for punctuation, capitals and italics.

But we decided on a very different idea for presenting the text of the papers. The texts of the Bible are presented in chapter-and-verse, which permits scholars to engage in exegesis by citing a particular line of text as a reference. We decided to do this by super-scripting each sentence, and separating sentences by line breaks. To maintain the authors’ original paragraphing, we used three asterisks on a separate line to separate paragraphs. Here is a short sample. The following is a paragraph from Madison’s Federalist #46.

Were it admitted, however, that the Federal government may feel an equal disposition with the State governments to extend its power beyond the due limits, the latter would still have the advantage in the means of defeating such encroachments. If an act of a particular State, though unfriendly to the national government, be generally popular in that State and should not too grossly violate the oaths of the State officers, it is executed immediately and, of course, by means on the spot and depending on the State alone. The opposition of the federal government, or the interposition of federal officers, would but inflame the zeal of all parties on the side of the State, and the evil could not be prevented or repaired, if at all, without the employment of means which must always be resorted to with reluctance and difficulty. On the other hand, should an unwarrantable measure of the federal government be unpopular in particular States, which would seldom fail to be the case, or even a warrantable measure be so, which may sometimes be the case, the means of opposition to it are powerful and at hand. The disquietude of the people; their repugnance and, perhaps, refusal to co-operate with the officers of the Union; the frowns of the executive magistracy of the State; the embarrassments created by legislative devices, which would often be added on such occasions, would oppose, in any State, difficulties not to be despised; would form, in a large State, very serious impediments; and where the sentiments of several adjoining States happened to be in unison, would present obstructions which the federal government would hardly be willing to encounter.

This is what it looks like after reformatting into our semi-biblical style and modernized punctuation.

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38 Were it admitted, however, that the federal government may feel an equal disposition with the state governments to extend its power beyond the due limits, the latter would still have the advantage in the means of defeating such encroachments.

39 If an act of a particular state, though unfriendly to the national government, be generally popular in that state and should not too grossly violate the oaths of the state officers, it is executed immediately and of course by means on the spot and depending on the state alone.

40 The opposition of the federal government, or the interposition of federal officers, would but inflame the zeal of all parties on the side of the state, and the evil could not be prevented or repaired, if at all, without the employment of means which must always be resorted to with reluctance and difficulty.

41 On the other hand, should an unwarrantable measure of the federal government be unpopular in particular states, which would seldom fail to be the case, or even a warrantable measure be so, which may sometimes be the case, the means of opposition to it are powerful and at hand.

42 The disquietude of the people, their repugnance and perhaps refusal to cooperate with the officers of the Union, the frowns of the executive magistracy of the state, the embarrassments created by legislative devices which would often be added on such occasions, would oppose in any state difficulties not to be despised; would form in a large state very serious impediments; and where the sentiments of several adjoining states happened to be in unison, would present obstructions which the federal government would hardly be willing to encounter.

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We avoid violence to the text but make it easier on the eye.

Essays to Accompany Each Paper

Up until now, threads on these papers featured the paper alone, with only a skeletal comment on the part of the poster. We propose to change that. Each thread will be accompanied by an essay written by the two of us along with proposed topics for discussion, and we will encourage FReepers to challenge our premises and improve the tenor of the discussion.

Scheduling

We will post two threads per week, every Monday and Thursday, starting February 1, for 55 weeks. We would ask those FReepers who wish to participate to add their names to this thread so that I may create a ping list for the project. Again, we will use the keyword “freeperbookclub” to mark these threads.

What is old has become new again. It’s time to explore federalism and the philosophy of the Framers. The lessons of 1787 are just as valid today.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: constitution; federalistpapers; freeperbookclub; lping
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To: Publius

Yes, count me in.


101 posted on 01/21/2010 8:04:02 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Bigun; PGalt

And thank you!

Please let me know if you think a liberal could read the book.


102 posted on 01/21/2010 8:22:21 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: Loud Mime
Please let me know if you think a liberal could read the book.

They're likely to burn it. Look what they've done to the Constitution. Witness history.

103 posted on 01/21/2010 8:25:28 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Publius

I’ll re-up! Thanks for all your work!


104 posted on 01/21/2010 8:43:48 AM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Publius

Count me in, please.


105 posted on 01/21/2010 9:39:37 AM PST by jer33 3
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To: Publius

Please ping me to this bookclub.


106 posted on 01/21/2010 9:53:37 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: PGalt

That would be a funny remark if there were not so much truth in it....


107 posted on 01/21/2010 10:30:46 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: PGalt; Loud Mime
Your comments reminded me of the conversation with my agent over A Navigational Tool for Atlas Shrugged.

The original title was A Conservative's Guide to Atlas Shrugged. The agent objected to the title, telling me that liberals also read.

"They do?" I asked in mock innocence.

"Watch it!" he said.

108 posted on 01/21/2010 1:18:36 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

That was good for a loud laugh at the Starbucks I’m at, in Northridge. No doubt this place is filled with liberals, so I’ll just say it was a Stephen Wright joke.

Liberals do read articles as long as it tells them who to hate how to claim they are victims.


109 posted on 01/21/2010 1:55:58 PM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: Publius; Billthedrill; All

:) I certainly appreciate your effort on this topic, Publius. Unread on these topics, I am looking forward to reading about some of the greatest thinkers to ever inhabit the planet.

This deserves a BTTT on many levels.


110 posted on 01/21/2010 1:58:31 PM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Well, gosh and shucks. (blush blush)

Thanks.

111 posted on 01/21/2010 2:34:13 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

Please add me to your PING list. What an undertaking!


112 posted on 01/22/2010 1:05:28 AM PST by WHATNEXT?
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To: Publius

I’m interested.


113 posted on 01/22/2010 10:04:14 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Publius

Sign me up!


114 posted on 01/22/2010 1:03:12 PM PST by Cymbaline (Bipartisan consensus - that's like when my doctor and my lawyer agree with my wife that I need help.)
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To: All; Publius; Loud Mime
 

Hillsdale College Offering Free Web Seminar: "Reviving the Constitution"


“What, then, is the Constitution? I will tell you. It is no vague, indefinite, floating, unsubstantial, ideal something, colored according to any man’s fancy, now a weasel, now a whale, and now nothing. . . . The American Constitution is a written instrument full and complete in itself. No Court in America, no Congress, no President, can add a single word thereto, or take a single word therefrom. It is a great national enactment done by the people, and can only be altered, amended, or added to by the people.”
—Frederick Douglass, Glasgow, Scotland, March 26, 1860


When: Saturday, January 30, 2010
Time: 9:00 am - 3:00 pm EST
Register (plus links to more information): http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/hillsdale/100130/


List of Speakers:

    


  • Dr. Larry Arnn: 
President, Hillsdale College
    "The Administrative State and the Duties of Citizens"

  • Dr. David Bobb: 
Director and Lecturer in Political Science
    "America’s Foundational Principles"

  • Dr. Matthew Spalding: 
Adjunct Fellow
    "The Founders’ Constitution"

  • Dr. Paul Moreno: 
Senior Fellow
    "The Constitution and the Civil War"

  • Dr. Ronald Pestritto: 
Senior Fellow
    "The Progressives’ Constitution"


115 posted on 01/22/2010 2:54:00 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: Jay777

PING


116 posted on 01/22/2010 2:58:21 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: steelyourfaith

Thanks for the ping!


117 posted on 01/22/2010 11:50:10 PM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: Publius

Please add me to the list. Thanks.


118 posted on 01/24/2010 3:55:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Publius

Just got this today, please count me in. Thanks.


119 posted on 01/27/2010 10:53:59 AM PST by c21sac (Nab)
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To: loboinok

Thanks Lobo


120 posted on 01/27/2010 1:34:21 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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