Posted on 01/14/2010 1:16:30 PM PST by GOP_Raider
Some mods are definitely more afraid of violating PC than others...
You could respond to 62 and 63, unless you want to tell us that you already knew that information and still want to make the claims about Romney that you made.
You would have hated the pre 1960s America, man, social conservatism was the rule
But many people in the higher ranks who were not conservatives at all started using conservatism to get what they wanted, people wanted to be law abiding, so the liberal socialists started using that fact to start shoving laws down peoples throats.
The Children of this bunch of liberals could see that thier parents were not real, so they thought that since thier parents were supposed to be conservative, then conservatism must not be right, if being conservative is wrong, then liberalism must be right.
And thats what lead to the war against right and wrong, in other words if it is wrong to whip the hell out of your son for just doing silly things like young people will do, then it must be right to let them do anything they want to.
If it is wrong to beat your daughter half to death to keep her from getting pregnant before she gets married, then it must be right to encourage her to be a whore.
I don,t know of the latter incident happening, but you can bet it was used.
At any rate the socialists who are and have been working to take over this nation since day one, are now in control of the young people in america.
The whole point in this comment is to stress the fact that real conservatism doe,s not mean a police state, but just the opposite, libralism is what leads to the police state.
But we need to know what real conservatism is, and we need to know what liberalism really is.
There is a right and a wrong, and its in the word of God, not man.
And we need to be very carful of how much authority we give our goverment to enforce that right and wrong, because the people in goverment are more concerned about thier job insurance and collecting money is part of that insurance.
And socialism is the best goverment job insurance in the world.
Sarah loves G*D(Jesus) and G*D(Jesus) loves Sarah! Sarah puts G*D (Jesus) at the center of her life unlike Barak who puts himself at the center.
So if after putting them in office, they do not first uphold the constitution and second do the will of the people, then it is our duty to remove them.
This is goverment by the people, not obama,s or anyone else,s
Thought; in basic 'context'; had made myself fairly clear; but okay. . .and perhaps, in more words than necessary/sigh. . .(and again offered; only because Sarah may not 'be there' and we can duly note; neither may Mitt - but he does stand as current and most popular foil and Conservative nemesis.)
Political opportunism is a fact of politics and falls on both sides - (of course, one side, absolutely survives on it) and keeping in mind Romney's Constituency, can see why he comes appears too close to 'splitting hairs' - when push comes to shove. Given that he believes, as does Sarah Palin; that it is a 'States Rights' issue; as President; think there is little question that he would adhere to Roe v. Wade - in the same way as would Palin.
That said; if you read Mormon position (googled in brief/below) on abortion you can see that Mitt - like the proverbial apple - falls right under their tree - and that of many other 'Faiths'; though not all. Mitt has angered those on both sides. Re 'emergency contraception' pill - Bill to facilitate access - he vetoed it.
(No sympathy, of course, for the pro-choice pain; nor their chants that they were misled. The larger dishonesty, as we know; begins with the Left's choices of 'euphemisms' so as to advance agendas that are in fact, in stark contrast to the labels by which they 'sell' /promote them. ('Planned Parenthood'/pro-Choice and yes, this a is prize-winning entry: 'emergency contraception'. ) We know of course, like 'People for the American Way'/sarc in honesty/. . .all the above - and so many more - so named, are a total crock.)
Anyway; the 'pro-choicers' with their verbal subtleties; fall on their own sword here: (by which Mitt finds an escape; but at least, he uses it.)
[ Asked how yesterday's veto squares with his answer on the 2002 questionnaire, Romney argued that he supports emergency contraception, but not the sort envisioned in the bill.
"'I do support expansion of emergency contraception; I have no problem with emergency contraception," he told reporters in his office. ''This product not only does that, but in some cases terminates life after conception. In that case, it ceases to be an emergency contraception bill and becomes an emergency abortion bill."
He did not elaborate. Supporters of the bill said they were perplexed by his logic, since the term ''emergency contraception" refers to Plan B or similar pills.
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As to the Romney record of Military Service; no question, it is not impressive. But again; raising a large family - inculcating said, with values, per good citizenship has it's own merits; albeit, less, it would appear, than if they had given themselves to Military for a proscribed time. Have no good answer to that; save Romney family reasons for not serving; carry more value than those, say of. . .Obama. And of course, McCain was/is certainly the consummate Patriot; and is 'pro-life' and promised to work to repeal Roe v. Wade; yet neither of these sufficient for many Conservative voters; who in the final analysis of Election, refused to vote for him .
And so by their absence, 'voted for Obama', IMHO. (We can argue as to how much better off we would be, yada, yada. . .)
We literally have to pick our battles; and right now; the future of the Repub Party is in jeopardy, IMHO. Just want voters to assist this Party; regrow it from within; and NOT fricken walk; NOR sit on their hands should their ONLY choice for Prez; not be on the ballot in 2012. And again; if we are to believe Palin, in toto; if not on Repub ticket; she will not be available in 2012. Of course, no 'crystal-clear' ball available. And speaking as an intelligent politician - and so not immune to 'parsing'; we can only wait and see how Sarah's future unfolds. And what kind of pressures will come to bear upon her.
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The Mormon/Church of Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints MO per abortion:
"Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything like unto it" (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Church members who encourage an abortion in any way may be subject to Church discipline. Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.
When a child is conceived out of wedlock, the best option is for the mother and father of the child to marry and work toward establishing an eternal family relationship. If a successful marriage is unlikely, they should place the child for adoption, preferably through LDS Family Services"
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Romney notes:
In a written response to a questionnaire for candidates in 2002, Romney told Planned Parenthood that he supported ''the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade," according to the group. Today, Romney describes himself as a ''pro-life governor" who wishes ''the laws of our nation could reflect that view." Calling the country ''divided over abortion," he says states ''should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."
''I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth," Romney says in the op-ed article. ''I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice, except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view."
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As to the evolving minds/changing hearts and dealing with a 'Constituency'; we can at least appreciate all; when recalling that then 'Governor' Reagan signed in l967; California's 'Therapeutic Abortion Bill'. We know today, that his wife Nancy; supports 'embryonic stem cell research'.
Bottom line, IMHO: Nothing is perfect in our world; nor is it meant to be. We can only search for 'greater good'. . .and deal with the rest.
I took the trouble to answer your ridiculous claim, and your accusation of bias on my part "To say he does not support our Military is just wrong - or worse; criticisms offered that appear embedded in more 'bias' than fact." and you could not form an answer to it.
You will have to do better to push your "patriotic" "pro military" Romney silliness, the man is anti military and is not patriotic.
Mitt Romney is anti military and always has been, when his father was the antiwar republican candidate for president in 1967, Mitt himself was avoiding the draft in France, as he described it.
"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."
For the 2008 election, and people like you, he changed that to.
"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam." Boston Globe, 6/24/07"
"One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share." Sincerely, W. Mitt Romney (and my five light in the loafers, sons)
"The good news is, we have a volunteer Army and that's the way we're going to keep it. My sons are adults. They've chosen not to serve in the military in active duty and I respect their decision in that regard. ... And one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."
You seem clueless on Mitt Romney and abortion also, Mitt Romney was a dedicated and passionate pro abortion man and candidate, from prosyltizing the most passionate, personal argument for abortion of any major republican that I am aware of, to giving money to and conducting fund raisers for pro abortion democrat candidates, to personally raising abortion funds for Palnned Parenthood, Mitt Romney was staunchly pro abortion.
Romney also clearly states that some Mormon leadership is pro abortion, and that it does not conflict with church teachings.
“But the Church does not say that a member of our Church has to be apposed to allowing choice in society.”
“we should have in society a prohibition on abortion in the following circumstances. But its not violating my faith let me assure you.”
Governor Mitt Romney: And so what should I do? I should not have been pro-choice. And so therefore I’m just finished right there? Well you were pro choice so you distanced yourself from your faith so you’re finished? So what should I say?
Jan Mickelson: No, no, I made a mistake when I…
Governor Mitt Romney: And every Mormon should be pro-life?
Jan Mickelson: If that’s what your Church says.
Governor Mitt Romney: That’s not what my Church says! There are leaders of my Church who are pro-choice. You’re wrong. That’s your problem.
Jan Mickelson: No that’s false logic. Your Church’s official position is pro-life.
Governor Mitt Romney: No, no-no, no no. We can continue that conversation
Jan Mickelson: We only have about 30 seconds. Unless you want to stay longer.
Governor Mitt Romney: I’ve got to run.
One more aside.
As is common with Romneybots, you want to throw in a lying attack on Reagan.
To serve Romney effectively, you will need to do much better than you are.
Bottom line, however, re abortion; is that 'today' Mitt shares same conclusion per State's Rights issue as does Sarah. Meantime, changing minds re abortion and 'locally' HAS begun; has taken root and is effecting change. May have even impacted Romney/who knows. (Changed the mind of Panned Parenthood leader who withdrew and now is prolife. ) WhatEVER. . .
As to Military; think I DID explain myself; by offering NO defense; save that in the 'now world'; with respect to Gay agenda; am certain Romney's words can never/will never match Obama's 'actions'. And with respect to our defense and security; NO Republican can match or come close to viral effects of Obama policies.
No one Candidate can embody the absolute perfect. Today our choices are those who choose the 'greater good'; and I will support any and all Candidates who carry that; and most assuredly, whomever comes closest to Reagan Ideal of defending/protecting America from enemies whose ideas - political and economic - serve 'this enemy'; and so are antithetical to America's Good.
By whatever means possible; I will not contribute to Democrat success; not by a zot; bot or dot will I facilitate those who do not stand 'for' America. My best vote is 'for' America; my best vote, as well, will be to insure that we do not have Obama-the-facist ,Islamist democrat win - or steal - another election. Or any other Democrat, for that matter. My best vote will not be a 'non' vote - for our opposition; and it will not be a vote for a third Party candidate.
END of my story. You do not have to like it.
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