Harry Reid’s Racist Mormon Beliefs Exposed in Illinois Senate Contest

Pensito Review ^ | January 4, 2009 | Trish Ponder

[reaganaut]

Yeah, it’s like he thinks he is a god or something.....

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Well, he is promising immortality...

“Today we vote whether to even discuss one of the greatest issues of our generation - indeed, one of the greatest issues this body has ever face: whether this nation will finally guarantee its people the right to live free from the fear of illness and death, which can be prevented by decent health care for all.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2392227/posts

[reaganaut]

ping to #10 - thought you might have some comments.

[Nonstatist]

The reason Harry Reid pronounced that Obama doesent speak with a “negro dialect” is because he is a liberal. Liberals condescend towards Blacks and treat them like retarded children. ALL of them think Black people need to be protected from life’s travails because there is something wrong with them. The lone one who doesent speak like a savage needs to be put on a pedestal.

[reaganaut]

Harry Reid is as religious as a bucket of warm spit.

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Actually he is a faithful Temple attending member of the LDS who does his “home teaching”, bears his LDS testimony in public, and attends his church meetings and temple frequently.

Several articles have appeared here on FR in the past few days affirming Reid’s religious ‘bona fides’.

Of course being religious does not make a person a Christian, and Reid is a very good example of that. However, he is a good faithful Mormon.

[reaganaut]

I want to see a Mormon scripture that supports these accusations.

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Colorcountry and Grey have already posted from the Book of Mormon. Here are some quotes from another one of their scriptures the “Pearl of Great Price”.

Soon after publishing the Book of Mormon in 1830, Joseph Smith began working on a revision of the Bible. The Book of Moses (printed in the Pearl of Great Price) was part of this revision and reflected the community concept that blacks descended from Cain:

. . . Behold the people of Canaan, which are numerous . . . shall divide themselves in the land, and the land shall be barren and unfruitful, and none other people shall dwell there but the people of Canaan; For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people . . .

And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were the people of Canaan, to repent; . . . And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 7:8, 22).

Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.

From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land.

The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;

When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.

Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.

Pharaoh, being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days, seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers in the first generations, in the days of the first patriarchal reign, even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.

Now, Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood, notwithstanding the Pharaohs would fain claim it from Noah, through Ham, therefore my father was led away by their idolatry (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham, 1:21-27).

[Colofornian]

Harry Reid is as religious as a bucket of warm spit...All he did was give 5 minutes of "testimony". Real convincing stuff; the atheist politician who found out half his constituents were Mormon and wanted to join the club...Harry Reid is "religious"?? Thats settled because he went to a convention?

Is Harry Reid only a "convention" Mormon? The Salt Lake Trib article -- Harry Reid: A Mormon in the Middle -- mentioned how ”Today, Reid, with his security escort in tow, likely will be making his home teaching rounds after his ward's three-hour service. Anyone who questions his Mormon credentials should see that, says Jim Vlock, his home-teaching companion.

According to the article, what does Sen. Hatch say? Orrin Hatch, says it's not fair for fellow Mormons to disparage Reid as anything but a devout Mormon..."I can personally tell you that Harry is a good member of the LDS faith and he was expressing a personal opinion that his side feels very deeply about," Hatch says.

So, nonstatist...are we to believe Sen. Hatch who knows Sen. Reid? (Or you who doesn't?)

Please tell us, Nonstatist: does BYU usually invite non-religious Mormons to speak at all-student body, all-faculty rallies? (‘Cause guess what? That’s exactly what BYU did in October 2007 – ensuring Reid spoke to over 4,000 on campus). According to the Deseret News, which covered the event: At the end of his speech, Reid earned a standing ovation from a small percentage of the crowd and applause from the rest.

Tell us, nonstatist, do BYU students & faculty usually applaud ALL "buckets of warm spit" like that?

What is it that these BYU students, BYU faculty members, and BYU administrators knew about Harry that just doesn't match your profile of him?

The guy is for gay marriage...Thats not what Mormonism espouses or what Mormons believe, generally.

What do you mean? The guy, yes, if of course for not protecting one-woman marriage. But then again, how are Mormons, who while protecting one-woman marriage in CA, any different than Harry Reid in talking out of both sides of their mouth on this matter? Lds say they are not in favor of mandating one-woman marriage after death.

They say if you married several spouses in the temple, and were sealed to each "for eternity" to them, you'll be an eternal polygamist. Lds apostle Bruce McConkie, whose book, Mormon Doctrine is still sold in Mormon bookstores everywhere, said that when the Mormon Jesus returned he would re-institute earthly polygamy. (Now how are future Mormons going to protect one-woman marriage when their redefined jesus won't?)

Was McConkie ever defrocked as an apostle? His statements made in his mid-60s revised book (or republishings since) ever condemned by Mormon leadeship? (No)

[reaganaut]

I am a Mormon woman with an adopted African American child,

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May I ask when you adopted this child? The reason I ask is, I have a friend (LDS) who adopted a couple of Guatemalan children 5 years ago, and when the went to the temple to have the children sealed to them, the officiator told her that she should watch them closely since they would become whiter and whiter. Needless to say, she was shocked.

[FastCoyote]

If you want a history of Mormon Democrats in heavily Mormon Nevada who have gone astray, you start with Harry Reid, then look at Richard Bunker and the sweetheart land deal to Harvey Whittemore (Whittemore buys lots of land for $20 mil then sells immediately $22 mil of water rights, Bunker is on Southern Nevada Water District). Then you look at Dario Herrera who just got done with doing jail time for taking money and lapdances from the Cheetah’s topless bar. There are more out there.
Some goes back to Howard Hughes and his Mormon Mafia, led by Mayheu who was a buddy of gangster Johnny Roselli, both while Mayheu was CIA setting up the mob to kill Castro, and then later when all the casino skim deals were happening. Even tough guy Mormon Sheriff Lamb was a bit shady and now works for Kerkorian (and presumably Pansy Ho, daughter of Stanley the Macao pimp and gaming king).
So, if you really want to get into how Democrat Mormons can take a walk on the dark side, we can go there.

[reaganaut]

It’s pretty well recognized that a true Mormon can not be a liberal/socialist/progressive. It is not possible. Every stake president and bishop I have ever met would agree. A liberal Mormon is an oximoron.

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Not even close. Some of the most liberal people I know are LDS, their idea is that everything comes down to “free agency” and therefore abortion and homosexuality are part of that.

Furthermore, the Chruch has taught, practiced, and believes it will practice again, a theocratic communism called the Untied Order.

The Repbulican party was founded, in part, to destroy the twin relics of barbarism - Slavery and Polygamy. Both existed in Utah during the late 1800’s.

[Tennessee Nana]

What’s with this “faith” junk...

Moslems think of themselves as people of faith...

Do mormons vote for Moslems on that principal ???

And faith in what ???

Algore has “faith” in global warming...

Romney has “faith” that Eden was situated in Missouri...

Gamblers have “faith” in the turn of a card...

Stop me when we get to Reid and Romney’s type of “faith”

Joey Smith had “faith” that people would believe his “white horse” prophecy...

Brigham Young had “faith” that there were people living on the sun..

Both JS and BY had “faith” that people would swallow thgeir excuses to cheat on their wives...

Romney has “faith” that people will be fooled into believing he is a “conservative”

Reid has “faith” the peOple will swallow whatever it is that he piously puts forward on the gullibility scales...

[Nonstatist]

By definition .. Religious:

1) imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man.
2). scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
3). pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
4). appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances

I think I can argue coherently that he is not devout (earnest or sincere),conscientious (just, upright, honest, faithful), or godly (conforming to the laws and wishes of God)

I will grant you he goes to church and gives testimony. I guess that's something.

[Elsie]

A new twist on the left's view of Harry Reid's racism.

[Elsie]

This has nothing to do with Mormonism.

Nothing at ALL???

 

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

[Nonstatist]

A new twist on the left's view of Harry Reid's racism.

Yes, isn't it amusing how many people on the ostensible "right" seem to agree with her arguments ? Amazing.

[Elsie]

Besides, Cain comes before the flood, and only Noah's family survived.

Details!

Besides; how do you know if that is TRANSLATEDS correctly?

--MormonDude(It could happen!)

[Nonstatist]

You agree? Ok, nm

[Elsie]

...a chance to dump on the Mormon religion...

 

 

I just HATE when that happens!!

 

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!

 

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).

 

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Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.

 

Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

[reaganaut]

godly (conforming to the laws and wishes of God)

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Whose God? Yours or Reid’s?

[Elsie]

There are quite a few Mormons with real LDS beliefs who would make fine leaders for our country.

AMEN!

[Elsie]

I do not believe that I have ever read a more intolerant and prejudiced article in my entire life. If only the left viewed our Muslim enemies with the same contempt...

Ah...

...the classic misdirection ploy.