Posted on 01/11/2010 7:46:11 AM PST by colorcountry
I knew eventually that the Democratic party’s leadership being infiltrated by Mormons would hurt us. I have made clear I believe Mormonism to be a racist, sexist, homophobic, fraudulent, and bizarre cult so if you’re coming in late and are astounded that I make no apology for my views, well…you’re coming in late. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any
Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is making my worst fears a reality. How this man got to be Senate Majority Leader is a mystery to me but he needs to go. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any. By calling on Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich not to appoint an African-American to succeed Barack Obama in the Senate, he is taking the Democratic party into the wacko zone with him.
From Mormonism’s earliest years, its leaders believed Africans were cursed descendants of Cain. As such, they were unfit for full participation.
ALL of them think NON-liberals are people who need to be protected from life’s travails because there is something wrong with them.
BONAFIDES??
Why...
...I'm the damned Pater Familias!
Woe is me - for I is undone!"
2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
Liberal Mormon is defined: One who has the right to do just about any damn thing they want to including the neighbor lady and in the case of little Joey Smith, all the little girls in the neighborhood.
All one needs is a book to write it down in and call it a revelation.
You foul, hateful ANTI!!! You KNOW that the Journal of Discourses is NOT SCRIPTURE!
—MormonDude
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The JoD is a collection of sermons by BY and other early LDS leaders.
Brigham Young said, “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture.” (Journal of Discourses 13:95).
Why have I NOT been asked to read the REST of the MORMON ‘Standard Works’ and then inquire of GOD to see if THEY are true or not?
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That is an excellent question.
“Many” is an ambiguous term. Mormons vote 4 to 1 Republican. And yes, there may be some Republican proponents of polygamy, but not a whole lot.
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Mormons CLAIM to vote 4:1 Rep. They are more likely to vote for a liberal member of the Church than a non-member conservative.
And many of the LDS i know that believe the doctrines above were registered republican but still supported Abortion, Gay Marriage and social programs. Remember Mitt is registered Republican as well.
When I lived in Utah (Provo/Orem, I would say about 60-70% of the LDS I knew (in the several hundreds) supported at least one of the liberal views I mentioned. The support for abortion was higher in my ward in CA than my ward in Utah, and the support for polygamy and socialism was higher in Utah than CA.
I’m the damned Pater Familias!
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And he wants to the be Pater Patriae.
I'd put Mitt in a similar category with Reid. In fact, I'd put most politicians in that category.
If Mormons wanted to vote for the socialist/gay marriage/abortion candidate, then all they would have to do is vote for the Democrat. But they don't.
I’m doing something I’ve never done before.
Calling for this thread to be pulled.
This entire thread is abuse in my opinion, absolute trash. And you in particular.
The idea that Harry Reid in any way represents Mormons or follows Mormonism is an joke.
I find some of the posts on this thread shocking in their bigotry and misrepresentations.
And no, I’m not a Mormon.
Mark Warner I think is sincere about his religion. But politicians? I must say Mark Sanford shocked me. But maybe he shouldn’t have. :>}
If Mormons wanted to vote for the socialist/gay marriage/abortion candidate, then all they would have to do is vote for the Democrat. But they don’t.
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But they did vote overwhelmingly for both Reid and Romney. Membership in the LDS overrides party membership or political views in a very large part.
Part of their theology is based upon the LDS saving the US. When the time comes (sometimes as late as the Millenium, depending upon who you ask) the US will become a Mormon theocracy and polygamy and the United order will be restored. Some LDS members try to rush that along by supporting these liberal ideas now.
I am not saying that there are no conservative LDS. There are and I know several of them as well. My point is that they are not as conservative as they first appear, nor how they appear to outsiders versus what their doctrines and personal beliefs are. There is a wide spectrum in the LDS regarding political views.
The idea that Harry Reid in any way represents Mormons or follows Mormonism is an joke.
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Ummm...vinnie, since you are not Mormon, how do you know that it is a “joke” that Reid represents Mormons or follows Mormonism. He is a faithful Latter-day Saint and there is much of Mormonism that Gentiles (non Mormons) are not aware of or that is only discussed amongst other LDS faithful.
CC, grey, colofornians, SZ and I (among others) have seen this other side as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Sadly I think it is about the same ratio as the rest of the country. But I will allow for backroom political deals and the pressure to “fit in” in Washington to increase pressure to compromise ideals.
I pray to God my husband never decides to run for office.
I was a Mormon for over 40 years, and my husband, mother, brother, in-laws and extended family are all Mormons.
I really don’t think you have the knowledge of Mormonism to call me trash or tell me this thread is misrepresentative in any way.
But I’ve met irrational freepers before....believe me, you aren’t the first.
This entire thread is abuse in my opinion, absolute trash. And you in particular.
I find some of the posts on this thread shocking in their bigotry and misrepresentations.
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Care to point out the bigotry and misrepresentations?
Listen, we're just going to have to disagree here. Theres hypocrites everywhere, and selective socialists, but the Mormons strike me favorably as a basically conservative group. I'm sure theres theocratic ideologues sprinkled in there,(as there are pre-Vatican II Catholics) but I think at the end of the day most are primarily conservative voting and thinking Americans. Their voting patterns hold up under scrutiny. Ried and Mitt suck, but thats where it ends for me, as far as that goes. .JMO
Give me a break!
A suppose Adolf Hitler was a Catholic because he went to Catholic school and therefore Catholics should be shunned.
You're calling a poster "trash" and you want the thread removed -- but not your post or you as a poster?
The idea that Harry Reid in any way represents Mormons or follows Mormonism is an joke. I find some of the posts on this thread shocking in their bigotry and misrepresentations.
Well, I don't know what your reason is, but I know that when quotes/excerpts like those you'll find in post #32 (by Greyfoxx) & post #50 (by Reaganaut) are placed right into the lap of some people, they are just too historically lazy to want to confirm if those quotes are so.
So, my challenge to you, Vinnie, is to read those quotes. Check on them. Only then will you know if it's "representational" of Mormonism. Here's just a brief rundown of a few quotes when I checked it out for myself:
LDS Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie: "Those who were less valiant in the pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God and his murder of Abel being a black skin.... Noah's son Ham married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the negro lineage through the flood....The negroes are not equal with other races when the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom, but this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing, based on His eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate." (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1972, 10th printing, pages 527-528...please note that this book was published by Bookcraft in Salt Lake City and was carefully revised in the mid-1960s under the tutelage of a future Lds "prophet" -- Spencer Kimball -- and was approved by the then Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee...and Bookcraft was eventually acquired by the Lds church)
All during the 1960s, the president of the quorum of McConkie & other Lds apostles was Joseph Fielding Smith, grandnephew of Joseph Smith; seven years after he wrote the following letter became the Lds "prophet":
"According to the doctrine of the Church, the Negro, because of some condition of unfaithfulness in the spirit--or pre-existence, was not valiant and hence was not denied the mortal probation, but was denied the blessings of the Priesthood." (JFS Letter to Joseph H. Henderson, April 10, 1963...
Darron Smith, a black Lds convert, wrote: "...even though the priesthood ban was repealed in 1978, the discourse that constructs what blackness means is still very much intact today...Hence there are Church members today who continue to summon and teach at every level of Church education the racial discourse that blacks are descendants of Cain, that they merited lesser earthly privilege because they were 'fence-sitters' in the War in Heaven, and that, science and climatic factors aside, there is a link between skin color and righteousness...("The Persistence of Racialized Discourse in Mormonism," by Darron Smith, Sunstone, March 2003, pp. 31-33).
Even the Bible dictionary in the LDS version of the KJV Bible intones at this: The warfare is continued in mortality in the conflict between right and wrong; between the gospel and false principles, etc. The same contestants and the same issues are doing battle, and the same salvation is at stake. Although one-third of the spirits became devils, the remaining two-thirds were not all equally valiant, there being every degree of devotion to Christ and the Father among them. The most diligent were chosen to be rulers in the kingdom (Abraham 3:22-23). The nature of the conflict, however, is such that there could be no neutrals...
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