Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385
I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."
At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.
If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.
1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.
2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.
Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.
Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.
© Jamie Freeze
NOWHERE in the 14th is the word Natural Born used.
You need to learn the difference between a
Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen.
Bingham obviously knew the difference.
Why don't you go back and read the third paragraph again.
It doesn't need to be there because...
You need to learn the difference between a Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen.
As far as the law is concerned, there are only two types of citizens: Naturalized and Natural Born. Two types. Only two.
Bingham obviously knew the difference. Why don't you go back and read the third paragraph again.
Bingham's quote in those congressional debates is not the law as much as birthers wish it were.
WRONG.
I have no quibble with anyone here. I just want to mention that if you don’t know it, Obama signed an executive order just the other day that gives INTERPOL diplomatic immunity here in the United States. What better way to ensure that his travels and visas in foreign countries cannot be revealed by IOFA inquiries. INTERPOL does not have to reveal what it has on file....I suspect Obama has cut a deal with them......They get a lot...Obama gets their protection. Obama has already scrubbed his travel visas and passport info here in American....now he has foreign information hidden as well.
I guess you feel the same way about the Federalist Papers right?
You are sooooooo wrong.
Bingham was the drafter and framer of the 14th.
His intent is written right there.
Just as the USSC used the writings in the Federalist Papers
To decide Heller vs D.C. Binghams intent on the 14th
can be used.
How much is Obama and Emanuel paying you?
I'll double it!
Hell, I triple it!
Anything to save my country.
Anything to save my Country from the Communist takeover.
Here you go:
Maybe you could write his honor a strongly worded letter?
The COLB is a fake.
“As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent”
“If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot”
Apparently they’ve trained you to begin a debate with name-calling, and to follow up with sloppiness, faulty reasoning and an intellect that hopes someday to ascend to a level of mediocrity.
The COLB is a fake.
I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October, 2008 over eight months ago.”
If its a fake then any prosecuting attorney in the nation where Obama’s name was on the ballot could/can charge him with forgery and/or fraud.
Thus far since June 12, 2008 when the COLB was first posted on the internet, no prosecuting attorney in the nation has launched an investigation into whether it is a fake or not.
You will note that in none of her statements, has she even suggested that the COLB in question was official created by the State of Hawaii, only that the records they have on file match Obama’s claims.
Hawaii’s records almost claim that Sun Yat Sen was born there as well.
In requesting and receiving there is a verifiable chain of documents and paperwork, that should allow The State of Hawaii to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they produced the COLB for Barrack Obama, who at the time it was created was a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America. There was also some sort of payment accompanying such a request as well as a secure method to ensure that such a document was delivered only to the person that requested it.
In other words a verifiable chain of documentation and expenditure that is sadly missing from a number of sources; The State of Hawaii, Factcheck.org, as well as the Obama Campaign itself.
We are told basically to believe what hasn’t been proved because the State of Hawaii refuses to release even the simplest of documents, a request signed by Barrack Obama, requesting that he receive a COLB.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=105262
World net Daily reported it, but Leo Donofrio Stated it.
Todays newest revelation discounts entirely the authenticity of the information on the alleged COLB, which bears the notation “Date filed by Registrar.” It has been speculated for nearly 3 months, by concerned citizens who have examined the rules of other departments of Vital Statistics accross the country that this designation, “filed by” indicates “submitted to, but not yet accepted as verified.”
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/11/28/hi-dept-of-health-admits-obamas-colb-is-faked/
Additional info just for grins...
The “Standard Certificate of Live Birth” contains the father’s race in block #8 and the mother’s race in block #13. Hawaii’s “Certificate of Live Birth” contains the the father’s race in block #13a and the mother’s race in block #12a.
Now, here comes the good stuff. Page 231 contains the requirements for “Race and color.”
“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”
Do you see a classification for “African?” I certainly don’t.
Now, let’s look at the document that Obama has provided for certifying his eligibility for the Office of the President of the United States and that is displayed on Annenberg FatCheck.org.
FATHER’S RACE is “African” — an incorrect entry for that data field. Just a typo? I don’t think so. The Obot who created the bogus Certification of Live Birth just couldn’t type the word “Negro.” Negro is just not politically correct, don’tcha know.
Oh, what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
You will note that in none of her statements, has she even suggested that the COLB in question was official created by the State of Hawaii, only that the records they have on file match Obama’s claims.
Hawaii’s records almost claim that Sun Yat Sen was born there as well.
In requesting and receiving there is a verifiable chain of documents and paperwork, that should allow The State of Hawaii to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they produced the COLB for Barrack Obama, who at the time it was created was a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America. There was also some sort of payment accompanying such a request as well as a secure method to ensure that such a document was delivered only to the person that requested it.
In other words a verifiable chain of documentation and expenditure that is sadly missing from a number of sources; The State of Hawaii, Factcheck.org, as well as the Obama Campaign itself.
We are told basically to believe what hasn’t been proved because the State of Hawaii refuses to release even the simplest of documents, a request signed by Barrack Obama, requesting that he receive a COLB.
Finally, in the case of Ankeny et. al v Mitch Daniels, The Governor of Indiana, the Court of Appeals of the state of Indiana has ruled that both John McCain and Barack Obama are natural born citizens with regard to Article 2 Section 1 Clause 4 of the US Constitution.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf
It took the state of Hawaii near nine months and an election to issue a statement which basically says nothing. During that time they did nothing to confirm or deny that the COLB was created by them and they still have not.
Why is this important?
Because They still refuse to say that they issued it to Barack Obama.
The first COLB shown on the Daily KOS was a proven forgery.
The second COLB on Obama’s Campaign site was an improved version of the first but still a forgery.
The Third COLB shown on FactCheck. Org was possibly created in Hawaii to fix concerns over the first two versions, namely lack of folds and the imprint of the stamp and even it has irregularities that show it to be a forgery. It did not appear until Barack Obama had made a visit to Hawaii himself.
None of these documents have ever been examined or inspected by an outside source that has no ties to Barack Obama.
It took the state of Hawaii near nine months and an election to issue a statement which basically says nothing. During that time they did nothing to confirm or deny that the COLB was created by them and they still have not.
Why is this important?
Because They still refuse to say that they issued it to Barack Obama.
The first COLB shown on the Daily KOS was a proven forgery.
The second COLB on Obama’s Campaign site was an improved version of the first but still a forgery.
The Third COLB shown on FactCheck. Org was possibly created in Hawaii to fix concerns over the first two versions, namely lack of folds and the imprint of the stamp and even it has irregularities that show it to be a forgery. It did not appear until Barack Obama had made a visit to Hawaii himself.
None of these documents have ever been examined or inspected by an outside source that has no ties to Barack Obama.
No court cases have reached the discovery phase yet.
Just wait as the nation worsens someone will take up this matter in earnest. Every President has a flaw that can be exposed, the question is how far will this nation be damaged before someone takes on this issue.
No court cases have reached the discovery phase yet.
Just wait as the nation worsens someone will take up this matter in earnest. Every President has a flaw that can be exposed, the question is how far will this nation be damaged before someone takes on this issue.
Thus far 62 legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility have been dismissed or denied by courts at the state, state appeals, state Supreme Court, federal district, federal appeals and US Supreme Court levels.
There is currently no pending case or suit that could move to a discovery phase. Whether that will change in the future is anybody’s guess.
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