Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385
I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."
At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.
If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.
1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.
2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.
Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.
Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.
© Jamie Freeze
Speculation. If you look at the link I provided, Obama has only defended himself in three of the 62 cases. That he pays his legal representation is not in disupute. That all this money has been spent defending himself in eligibility cases is speculative. To date, no court has demanded or even suggested that Obama provide further documentation of any kind.
Personally, I don't believe he was born in Hawaii. Of course I can't PROVE it, but it seems that BHO can't prove it, either.
There is no evidence that Stanley Ann ever set foot in Kenya much less had a baby there.
And what's will his wife Michelle being quoted on the campaign as telling his supporters NOT to worry, that they weren't going to let a "little thing like an adoption" keep BNO from becoming prez??
You have a link for this quote?
The state of Hawaii says he was born in Hawaii.
I don't have an account at Lexus Nexua, and can't find the story at google, but I presume that at some point I read about it here at FR, as well as other online news sites.
Maybe it will "ring a bell" with another freeper, who does know where a link to one of the articles about it is.
Anyway ...... YOU can protest all you want, but I don't believe that Barack Hussein Obama is an American citizen, I will never believe it; and I will always believe that he has something to hide.
His grandmother said he was born in Kenya. A village in Kenya has a site designated as his birthplace. On the other hand, no Hawaiian hospital has claimed to be the site of his birth, and no one has identified the American doctor who delivered him.
We just don't know. All I know is that a lot of people get nervous and angry when the subject comes up.
That's YOUR problem.
The Ba-ROCK STAR GROUPIES are out in spades, today!!! LOL
Yes they did. See: http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
Excerpt:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
“His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.”
Nope. She never said that. The full transcript of the conversation confirms this. I'll root around if you want a link.
“A village in Kenya has a site designated as his birthplace.”
Shrug. They can believe what they want.
But the evidence doesn't support their claim.
“On the other hand, no Hawaiian hospital has claimed to be the site of his birth, and no one has identified the American doctor who delivered him.”
US law prevents them from making such a claim.
“We just don't know. All I know is that a lot of people get nervous and angry when the subject comes up.”
We know. A person just need to step away from emotions and look at the actual facts with a rational mindset.
No one gets nervous or angry. We're simply dispirited and appalled at the kind of pitiful straw-grasping with which conservatism is being tainted by this ridiculous “issue.”
I don’t believe he is a citizen either is this the story you were talking about
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-campaign.html
The API interview that was gonna blow the whole thing wide open and kick BHO out of the race for the Presidency.
Any day now...
Just you wait...
Also nowhere in the Scales Vs INS is the term “Natural Born Citizen” even used, once again a glaring smoke screen. trying to prove Obama is a “Natural Born Citizen” with a decision that does not define or even mention the term.
There is also the issue of Citizenship by blood, in this case the court ruled (wrongly I might add) that bloodline wasn’t a factor even though STANLEY RUSSELL SCALES Jr. was not related to his namesake by blood, because the parents were married.
Had he been illegitimate he could not claim US citizenship because he was another man’s offspring.
How that for a kick in the teeth?
As long as an alien mother marries a US citizen a child born to her is a US citizen even if it is not the Citizen’s child, but if an alien mother has an illegitimate child by a US citizen, that child is not a US citizen even if it can be proved by blood.
In a case of liberalism at it’s finest the court ruled that a deported felon not even related by blood, was a US citizen on the sole fact that his mother had married a US citizen.
Again, you've become so emotionally attached to Obama's eligibility that you assume that everyone who's not buying this birther nonsense must be an Obama supporter.
In my opinion, Obama is a disaster, voted into office by 69 million Americans who chose to treat a presidential election with no more sanctity than a season of American Idol. But this birther stuff is garbage. It's not going to remove Obama from office and it certainly isn't going to address the real issue; why the majority of voters in this country chose to elect a man like Obama in the first place. Birthers are counting on a miracle to rectify this while rational people realize that Obama is the result of an electoral process that doesn't always produce the results we want and sometimes painful lessons must be learned.
I concur.
For a future President, Young Barry doesn’t seem to have had many friends. Or did he...
I stated that Michelle told a group of BHO supporters - somewhere HERE in the USA, she told real American citizens, VOTERS, that they weren't going to let a little something or a thing like a little adoption prevent them from going to the White House.
It MAY have even been broadcast on C-SPAN -- AND it was during the Spring, or the late spring or early summer -- it was early in the campaign
It either did not actually happen, you are not recalling the actual comment correctly or you misunderstood what she said.
Surely you understand the tenuous nature of “I think I heard this said somewhere at some time back a year and a half or maybe two years ago....”
That kind of statement is useless without a solid reference.
And it's NONE of your business what I choose to believe, nor what I choose to read about, you stinkie little control freak.
IF you are sooooooo embarressed by conservatives who are APPALLED by BHO's not being a U.S. citizen, then what are you doing posting to such a conservative site as Free Republic.
Wouldn't you fit in better at RINOS-4-ever.com?
WHO do YOU think that YOU are to smuggly tell other people, full fledged American citizens what to think, what to believe, what to POST???????
HuH ??????????
Whoa, I’ve seen it so many times I took it to be true. Thank you.
You’re wasting your time, he gets paid by the insults he gets.
Oh, okay, I git it now, thankky kindly.
There are so many paid blog posters from Eric Holder's DOJ online today, it's quite tiresome....
Birthers are a setback to conservatism, succeeding only in deflecting attention away from Obama's real failures while allowing him to paint his opposition as unhinged cranks. That's probably the real reason he hasn't volunteered his long form BC. He doesn't want you folks going anywhere!
What was your former FR name noob.
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