Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385
I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."
At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.
If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.
1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.
2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.
Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.
Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.
© Jamie Freeze
Like we would believe that conservatism is hurt by actually challenging the president to prove he is eligible under the US constitution.
All he has to do is prove he is eligible with his original documents and the greatest threat to his presidency with vanish like the morning dew.
BUT HE WON’T DO IT.....
This bloke is an idiot who does not understand the difference between Natural Born Citizen, Native Born Citizen, Naturalised Citizen, Citizen. The Supreme Court has never decided an interpretation of Natural Born Citizen, cos the question only arises in relation to Presidential qualification.
Think of it as "retroactive jihad".
BUT HE WON’T DO IT.....”
Incorrect.
BHO won't bother to try and prove anything to your personal level of satisfaction.
And it stands that BHO has however proven this already to the satisfaction of anyone that matters.
Just because you choose not to accept something, doesn't change the reality of it.
My level of satisfaction is very low.
But the point is that if Obama wanted to soundly crush the hopes of everyone that opposes him the easiest way to do just that is prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that he is eligible to be president.
That requires him to show his original documentation and not a computer generated summery created in 2008.
Eventually the truth will come out and the reckless speed by which Obama has marched this country into socialism will be revealed as a desperate measure by an ineligible leader.
This is a great read on what BHO, through his attorney Bob Bauer, has provided as evidence that BHO is eligible to serve as POTUS..
>> Why doesn’t Obama show us all his Smallpox Vaccination? <<
He should be weary of people sending him blankets for Christmas.....
More worried about the BLATANT FRAUD he may have committed in receiving federal student aid by claiming to be an Indonesia citizen when he went to college....
If Obama can skate by after possibly bilking other REAL INDONESIANS out of federal student aid, then why can’t someone claim their child is from another country and apply for the same sort of federal student aid?????
This pisses me off the most as I had to pay my own way through college, this BOZO said how tough his life was and then coasted by on our dime while claiming to not be a citizen to get said funds and then thinks he can Re-claim his citizen ship when it is convenient for his Career....
I think that you are correct. I've spent a couple hours or so at google and I cannot find the webpages where I initially read about that online; however, I did find that silly API story in many of the searches I attempted --- so what I believe occurred is that again & again & again, when reading about Barack Obama not releasing his long form birth certificate that I'd read quite a few times that "Michelle said... blah/blah" --- because I found one instance which rang a bell, and it still has to do with the FAKE API story, something about Michelle saying there was NO LAW which prevented her husband from becoming prez.
I am pretty positive that you are correct, that while I was reading about the Certificate Scandal, that I read many postings about Michelle, which had to do with the phoney FAKE API story, but at the time I read the posts, they didn't mention that "Michelle said..." in reference to the fake planted API nonsense.
And nobody can place him at Columbia, nobody.
Who are you trying to kid?
The four major players in the birther movement, Taitz, Kreep, Berg and Donofrio all maintain that Obama's lack of eligibility has nothing to do with where he was born. Taitz, Kreep and Donofrio argue he's ineligible by virtue of his Kenyan father and Berg posits that Obama never "re-naturalized" after becoming an Indonesian citizen (though Taitz has hedged her bets by submitting as evidence a pair of laughably bogus "Kenyan" birth certificates).
Obama could whip out a gold-plated long form BC signed by God himself and it wouldn't mollify these folks. So all this talk about "Free the Long Form!" isn't very sincere.
BUT HE WON’T DO IT.....
What would it solve besides dignifying the issue.
Some may find this educational:
Interestingly, Obama HIMSELF agrees that a Natural born American is “one born of American citizens” — plural!
He also — cleverly — muddies the water by conflating ‘Natural’ Born with ‘native’ born cetizen...they are not the same.
Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
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“ERGO, Toad, Obama SENIOR was a British Citizen.
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I am talking about just because his father is a British citizen does not mean Obama cannot be a US citizen if he was born here and his mother was US. All this talk about just because his father was British means Obama cannot be US is pure bullsh*t spread by some of the most ignorant idiots on the Internet. Of course, I do not believe he was born in the US.
I bet the author believes in global warming and the tooth fairy.
Jamie Freeze: I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.
Hawaii doesn’t want to fess up cause that have a skeleton in their closet which they took money fraudulently from the Federal Government ....
And pigs can fly too.
Who are you trying to kid?
No one! I am quite honest about it, unlike you who only pretends to be a conservative and stick only to birther issues.
His original birth certificate is the key that either makes him a Natural Born Citizen or an ineligible fraud in any number of ways. But here is the big one, his original birth certificate is absolute proof his father was a foreigner, something the COLB does not do because it is only a facsimile of the last entries into his vital records.
Just as the COLB isn't good enough for military service or even softball leagues, it isn't enough for a court of law particularly when the eligibility of his presidency is before a court.
That's why it must be used in either case.
A. No one disputes Obama's father is a foreigner. This was a matter of record when he ran for the presidency and when he took the Oath of Office. His father's citizenship was contested or made an issue by none of Obama's primary or general election opponents.
B. Long form BCs don't list parents' citizenship status, only their place of birth (as volunteered by the parents). Meghan McCain's original BC lists a foreign country for the birth place of her father as well. Doesn't tell us anything about citizenship.
C. Parents' place of birth has no bearing whatsoever on natural born status despite the birthers wishing so desperately that this were not so.
Just as the COLB isn't good enough for military service or even softball leagues, it isn't enough for a court of law particularly when the eligibility of his presidency is before a court.
Not true. My original long form has been lost to history. When I needed a BC, the state of Colorado issued me a computer generated short form of the same format as the "Factcheck" COLB (this is the only form that Colorado will issue). It was sufficient to enlist in the military, get a passport and get married. Certified with a raised seal, this form is a perfectly legal document.
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