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Legislation Will Give Attorney General Sweeping Powers Over Firearms ( S.1317)
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Posted on 12/22/2009 5:12:48 AM PST by Man50D

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This bill will give Holder absolute discretion as to whom he considers a terrorist and deny that person a firearm based on his subjective and no doubt very political definition. It will in effect subvert the 2nd Amendment.

I provided the full text as the link may time out. Go to www.thomas.gov and enter the bill number in the Search Bill Summary & Status window should the page time out.
1 posted on 12/22/2009 5:12:48 AM PST by Man50D
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He already has absolute discretion as to who is a terrorist.
2 posted on 12/22/2009 5:14:30 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Man50D

My grandfather always said another Civil War was coming. I’m glad he isn’t around to see it coming to pass.


3 posted on 12/22/2009 5:15:58 AM PST by Shaun_MD (Debra Medina for Governor of Texas. Texas Secession. It is time.)
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even the dhimmicrats from flyover country who voted for healthcare WONT vote for this.

Just my opinion and you know what opinions are like.

it would behoove us however, to contact our scum in congress and make sure they know how we feel...


4 posted on 12/22/2009 5:16:54 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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Kinda assumes all the terrorists are standing in line at the local Guns-R-US agency waiting for a license, eh?

My observation would be that the only sheeple who put up with that crap anymore are ordinary Americans.


5 posted on 12/22/2009 5:18:24 AM PST by djf (Invest now! Buy paper! Earn interest! That's more paper!! (A little soy sauce and you CAN eat it!)
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If Lautenberg has his name as sponsor or cosponsor than I’m totally against it!
I don’t even need to read his anit-gun tripe!


6 posted on 12/22/2009 5:19:25 AM PST by Yorktownpatriot
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even the dhimmicrats from flyover country who voted for healthcare WONT vote for this.

Sure they will. Just depends on how big the bribe is.

7 posted on 12/22/2009 5:24:14 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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it would behoove us however, to contact our scum in congress and make sure they know how we feel...

By the passing of the HCR, you are not under the delusion that they have any intention of listening to anything that we contact them about.

8 posted on 12/22/2009 5:24:48 AM PST by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons! How does one clean a phase 4 plasma rifle)
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or suspected dangerous

Suspected? Yea, right.

There is only going to be one thing that will stop this ongoing communist assult and it ain't phone calls emails and letters.

These bass-turds have gotta be out of government.

9 posted on 12/22/2009 5:25:52 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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By the passing of the HCR, you are not under the delusion that they have any intention of listening to anything that we contact them about

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” Thomas Jefferson

then Lock and Load....

10 posted on 12/22/2009 5:30:28 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Man50D

I always check with the NRA on any issues like this:

Update from them: Friday, December 04, 2009

Is your name the same as, or similar to, that of someone on the FBI’s “terrorist watchlist?” Or, have you been erroneously placed on the watchlist? You can’t find out because the FBI won’t say exactly why people get watchlisted, won’t say who has been watchlisted, and therefore doesn’t offer watchlisted people the chance to clear their names immediately. In fact, small children, federal air marshals, military personnel who have fought terrorists overseas, the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, members of Congress, and many other good Americans have even been stopped from boarding commercial aircraft for this reason. The government has reported that there were 700,000 names in the watchlist as of April 2007, and the ACLU estimates that the number has since risen to 1.3 million.

Obviously, these people are not all terrorists. However, politicians who hate the Second Amendment know that some of the good Americans who are erroneously on the list, or who get incorrectly flagged by the list, are gun owners. And, because the FBI won’t reveal its watchlisting criteria, those politicians think that more gun owners can be placed on the list over time, by like-minded bureaucrats making arbitrary determinations about who ought to have guns.

One such politician is Michael Bloomberg, whose hobbies include being mayor of New York City and raising intellectually deficient complaints about gun laws. Never one to concern himself with the facts when there is a chance to get his name in the paper, Bloomberg recently claimed that the recent murders on Ft. Hood would have been prevented if the FBI hadn’t been required to erase NICS-approved gun purchase records after 24 hours.

Mischaracterizing events related to the Ft. Hood murders for political reasons shows disrespect to the lives that were lost there and is crass to the extreme. That said, the reason that the FBI didn’t know about the Ft. Hood suspect’s gun purchase is not that his NICS record was erased after 24 hours. Rather, it’s that he wasn’t on the watchlist in the first place, as NICS checks the list and alerts the FBI if a listed person tries to buy a gun.

Another such politician is Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), author of legislation Bloomberg supports (S. 1317, H.R. 2159 in the House), which would allow the Attorney General to stop watchlisted people from buying guns through NICS. It would also prevent those people from contesting their rejections in a full and open hearing in court. Obviously, that scheme would violate not only the Second Amendment, but also the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection against deprivation of liberty without due process of law.

This week Lautenberg introduced a separate bill (S. 2820), calling for NICS firearm transaction records to be retained for 10 years on a person suspected of being a member of a terrorist organization. That, however, is a smokescreen for another provision in the same bill, to retain NICS records of approved firearm transfers for 180 days for other gun buyers.

While Lautenberg introduced S. 2820 in the wake of Ft. Hood (with terrorism fresh on Americans’ minds), gun control supporters have wanted NICS records retained for longer than 24 hours since NICS’ inception. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), a co-sponsor of the Lautenberg bill, argued in favor of a 180-day retention back in 2001. After all, the Brady Act, as passed by Congress, required that NICS “destroy” the records of approved firearm purchases.

Along with the Lautenberg bills described above, gun control supporters are concurrently campaigning for a law to force all private gun sales to be run through NICS. Connecting the dots is a simple task. The goal shared by gun control supporters and by government entities for whom no amount of knowledge about American citizens is too much, is to incrementally increase the amount of information the government possesses on gun owners who, through no fault of their own, end up on a secret government list.

Please call your U.S. Senators and urge them to oppose S. 1317 and S. 2820. You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121.


11 posted on 12/22/2009 5:36:40 AM PST by maddog55 (Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.)
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Hanging is too good for them. Clap ‘em in irons and send them to Iran.


12 posted on 12/22/2009 5:43:01 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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The marxist revolution continues.


13 posted on 12/22/2009 5:45:54 AM PST by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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DHS Office of Intelligence and Analysis ASSESSMENT UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment — 7 April 2009.


14 posted on 12/22/2009 5:56:26 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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Once Again,with feeling:

‘The government can have my firearm when they can pry it from my cold, dead hands!!!’


15 posted on 12/22/2009 5:58:01 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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Don’t worry; no mention of those involved in “man-made disasters”.........


16 posted on 12/22/2009 6:11:07 AM PST by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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So a terrorist planning to kill dozens or perhaps hundred, maybe even thousands of people will be stopped because its illegal for him to have a gun?

These Congress sleezeballs are a danger to themselves let alone the United States of America.


17 posted on 12/22/2009 6:11:31 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Why not?

We probably could have used him on our side! :)


18 posted on 12/22/2009 6:13:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: driftdiver

The biggest attack ever on America was conducted by islamic persons using box cutters.

Freedom has never been won by sending off a sternly worded email.


19 posted on 12/22/2009 6:18:01 AM PST by PilotDave (America; nice while it lasted... I miss it already.)
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Will this restriction be applied to airplanes? Funny, now that a nutjob muzzie blows away US soldiers on a Army post, the NJ Dem sees a need to restrict firearms. How about a bill restricting muzzies to muzzie lands? Dumb sh*T


20 posted on 12/22/2009 6:38:20 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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