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Climategate: Settle down Sarah Palin. This changes nothing (Juvenile Joisey Jourbalism)
The Star-Ledger ^ | December 13, 2009 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 12/13/2009 5:28:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Give this much to Sarah Palin: She is so dependably wrong that she makes it easy to pick sides.

After exposing President Obama’s plans to kill the elderly and disabled with his death panels, she has moved on to climate change, seizing on the recent scandal over stolen e-mails as evidence that global warming is a liberal myth.

Let’s look at the record. A few weeks ago, a computer hacker stole documents and e-mails from a server at Britain’s Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia. Some of the e-mails were between scientists at the center and a leading climatologist at Penn State, Michael E. Mann.

It turns out, assuming the documents are authentic, that these elite climate scientists were spinning their research. They hid data they didn’t like. They discussed boycotting publications that questioned their conclusions. They talked about using a "trick" to massage data.

They behaved, in short, like a bunch of hacks. And that has given climate-change skeptics their biggest propaganda win in years. It has allowed people like Palin to score points.

But it is beyond silly to suggest, as Palin does, that Obama should boycott the climate summit in Copenhagen in response to this kerfuffle. The science behind global warming does not depend on these climatologists alone. An overwhelming majority of climate scientists across the world believe that human activity is warming the planet, and that this presents a dire threat to Earth’s environment.(continued)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; climaquiddick; climategate; copenhagen; globalwarming; hadleycru; liars; lyingjournalist; lyingliars; obama; palin; pantsonfire; sarahpalin; sarahpslin
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To: Edisto Joe

I don’t call it a hoax. A hoax is something that is laughed off and forgotten. This is a massive fraud and trillions of dollars have been staked on it.

I don’t think most FReepers quite understand how hard cap and trade will be to kill. States have invested taxpayer dollars in carbon trading, congressmen and major companies stand to make big bucks off it. When the climate change fraud collapses there will be a lot of people holding an empty bag. They aren’t going to let it go down without a fight.


21 posted on 12/13/2009 5:57:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t think most FReepers quite understand how hard cap and trade will be to kill.

I've wondered about that too. Texas is investing in CO2 capture. I saw an ad this afternoon by a company investing in the removal of CO2 from natural gas (might have been Atlantic Richfield). Has this foolishness hit some kind of critical mass that will make it nearly impossible to kill?

22 posted on 12/13/2009 6:07:04 PM PST by Need4Truth (All the king's horses and all the king's men could not reprogram the Branch Carbonians.)
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To: Need4Truth

Something I dug up and posted earlier today. There are already several states investing taxpayer money in the scam. If it collapses, they’ll be left holding an empty bag that’s supposed to have taxpayer money in it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2406635/posts?page=13#13

Unfortunately a collapse is what needs to happen. Its sucess is what we’ll never be able to recover from.


23 posted on 12/13/2009 6:11:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ABQHispConservative

Amazing, huh. These people are so brainwashed it’s scary. I have family members who are the same way. Sarah’s wrong because they say she’s wrong. And this guy writes that some “hacker” “stole” the emails then goes on to say “if they’re legitimate”. No one who wrote the emails has said they’re fake but the media and O’s followers will make excuses so no one has to deny anything.


24 posted on 12/13/2009 6:12:48 PM PST by Terry Mross (Is it racist if it's true?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That “extreme fringe challenges the consensus among scientists who see this as a serious threat” is the majority of Americans. Funny how these people use “fringe” describes anyone that doesn’t agree with them ... now that is what I call “deniers” of facts.


25 posted on 12/13/2009 6:14:06 PM PST by militanttoby
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To: Right Wing Assault
"Don't question Algore! He took a science class in college."

Did he have bodyguards there like he did in Vietnam where he was a "combat jourbalist" or somesuch?


26 posted on 12/13/2009 6:14:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s akin to saying if you disagree the earth is flat, shut yer pie hole.


27 posted on 12/13/2009 6:16:17 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It turns out, assuming the documents are authentic, that these elite climate scientists were spinning their research. They hid data they didn’t like. They discussed boycotting publications that questioned their conclusions. They talked about using a "trick" to massage data.

He forgot to add: "AND THEN THEY PASSED THIS CORRUPT DATA ON TO THE UN AND AL GORE AND THE REST IS HISTORY".

Give me a break.

28 posted on 12/13/2009 6:18:02 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: cripplecreek

“When the climate change fraud collapses there will be a lot of people left holding an empty bag.” I believe it was either Rush or Beck that compared it to The “Dot Com” bust on their show. So your dead on with your statement about holding the bag. Let’s not forget about what was said on “Fox News Sunday” today when it was pointed out that the same organization, the UN, who ran the Oil For Food program will be in charge of the Climate Funding. More fraud on the way!


29 posted on 12/13/2009 6:19:09 PM PST by Edisto Joe (Support our service men and women!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crybabies are pissed off they’ve been exposed.


30 posted on 12/13/2009 6:22:11 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody reads the Red Star anymore.


31 posted on 12/13/2009 6:23:50 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If I had to pick the sound associated with a liberal whining, it would be that of a cow turd hitting a flat rock.

If Sarah Palin read the McDonalds Menu, these hacks would have something to find wrong with it.
32 posted on 12/13/2009 6:24:51 PM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
New Jersey Star-Ledger editorial board in conference:


33 posted on 12/13/2009 6:27:57 PM PST by Iron Munro (God is great - Beer is good - People are crazy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for outing yourselves. No surprise, of course, but it's good to have the confirmation...again. If anyone consistently gets it wrong, it's not Sarah Palin. It's the person each of you so-called journalists sees in the mirror.
34 posted on 12/13/2009 6:29:22 PM PST by GBA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
An overwhelming majority of climate scientists across the world believe that human activity is warming the planet, and that this presents a dire threat to Earth’s environment.

But that statement is an unsupportable assertion. It represents specious reasoning.

I would challenge the statement that an overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe in AGW. How many scientists from that group would remain in the group if you removed those scientists with a vested interest in AGW?

The next question would be on what scientific basis do they claim that mankind is causing global warming? It is true that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Given that it is a trace gas, it is overwhelmed by water vapor by many orders of magnitude. Carbon dioxide has no measurable impact on our climate or weather. There is no man made global warming; only man made climate change on computers using artificial data.

Please address the substance of the issue instead of supporting the warmers. Otherwise you sound shrill and hysterical.

35 posted on 12/13/2009 6:37:58 PM PST by olezip
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To: Right Wing Assault
Back during the 2000 campaign, Al Gore's grades were actually released and posted on this forum. I don't remember them all, but the summary was:
  1. Flunked out of Harvard Law School.
  2. Flunked out of some divinity school in Tennessee.
  3. Finally got a B.S. from Harvard in political science.

    Even less impressive than ObaMao's grades (if you can find them).


36 posted on 12/13/2009 6:39:40 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What? No, I can’t hear you. La la la la la la la, LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA...”


37 posted on 12/13/2009 6:42:01 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When Retards Publish.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

38 posted on 12/13/2009 6:43:08 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Koolaid drinkers are being put to shame by Gore's greenie eaters. Such righteous indignation! Cast out your demons oh deniers! Send more money and be cleansed!

Attention all true believers..Send Gore and his saintly followers $1,000 a month for the rest of your life and your soul will be saved! What can I say, it sells itself.

39 posted on 12/13/2009 6:43:39 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>> Star Ledger: "And that has given climate-change skeptics their biggest propaganda win in years."

Yet, it's no longer known as Global Warming

Is there one prominent Liberal that has argued against AGW?

Wouldn't it seem improbable that given extensive, complex sets of data, every Liberal scientist would draw the same conclusion about that data?

40 posted on 12/13/2009 6:44:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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