Harken! The Voice of Kolob speaks!!
Merry SmithMas everyone!
Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.
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And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.
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Keep your powder dry.
And you are so good at answering questions you think SHOULD have been asked.
If you have it, sure. But the dodges continue...
Thank you nana.
Because that's a big lie emitted from Temple Square!
there goes that echo again.
Good advice!!
Let me know if anyone finds out what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism in there!
Actually; that is BAD advice; for MORMONism does NOT depend on ANYTHING found in the BoM, but things in OTHER spurious writings and 'translations' of Egyptian papyrus.
Oh yeah...
MASONIC practices figure quite highly in the LDS 'Temple Ceremonies'
(No; you can't find THEM in ANY of the things MORMONs call 'scripture'; right RESTY??
Actually; if you DON'T get the 'answer' that LDS headquarters says is the RIGHT one; then YOU didn't do it right - or you ain't "sincere" enough!
That's not spinning: that is LYING!
Harken! The Voice of Kolob speaks!!
Merry SmithMas everyone!
I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
“Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble Me no more on this matter.”
I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. I believe the coming of the son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.
Joseph Smith, February, 1835
For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house
Joseph Smith,, 1831, D&C 84:5
(The Saints were expelled from Jackson County in late 1833, before they could make any progress on the temple. Despite their best efforts, they were unable to return to reclaim their lands.)
President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene.
History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182, February 14, 1835
(The above prophecy was given on Valentine’s Day, 1835. 56 years would place Jesus’ return on or before February 14, 1891)
...for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it.
Joseph Smith,, Doctrine and Covenants 127:2
(Contrary to his prophecy, Smith’s enemies stormed the Illinois jail where he was being held and shot and killed him.
Smith died on June 27, 1844, less than two years after he gave this prophecy.
The phrase “for the Lord God hath spoken it” officially qualifies Smiths’s statement as a prophecy according to the LDS organization.)
I'll bet you did NOT 'investigate' the supposed UNTRUENESS of PRESBYTERIANism!
Why will you not CONTINUE to 'investigate' the false things your leaders have done?
ROTFLMHO!!!
The charlatan/cretin earned it by always taking the easy road of putting self-gratification first...
Wine and tobacco for me, but not for thee...
Self-centered, demanding, infantile behaviour, heaping verbal abuse upon any who dared display the temerity to oppose (like his first wife when she disagreed with his convenient revelation of divine dispensation from G_d for him to dwell as a polygamist. A heap of biblical-scope judgments were pronounced over her by Joey, should she not accede to her faithless erstwhile “husband” and his desire to elevate the lust in his loins to primacy...)
Acting like nothing so much as a petulant child denied his candy every time he opened his mouth and firing a baseless broadside against all other churches as being whores of Babylon.
Yep, he’s a “Joey” - enshrined in history forever as one mired in his own immaturity...dragging many deluded folks to hell with him.
If he was around, I would walk right up to him and unabashedly call him ‘Joey’ to his face and let him know it was intended as a sign of disrespect for his many lies and deceptions, his multiple false and failed prophecies, and for his unflagging arrogance.
A.A.C.
So; you are waiting for even MORE stuff after the FULLNESS of the Gospel has already been claimed?
How ignorant does SLC headquarters think their followers ARE??
Fitting given that the BOM was given to us by a “prophet” whose prophetic abilities were limited to the same level of accuracy as the psychic powers of one who is working with a magician who says “guess which hand the quarter in my right hand is in.”
She doesn't do ALLUSIONS very well, being so hung up on ILLUSIONS so much.
Actually; if you DON’T get the ‘answer’ that LDS headquarters says is the RIGHT one; then YOU didn’t do it right - or you ain’t “sincere” enough!
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Yep, or you don’t have enough faith.
Here...
I'll call some of YOUR friends for you!
If he was around, I would walk right up to him and unabashedly call him ‘Joey’ to his face and let him know it was intended as a sign of disrespect for his many lies and deceptions, his multiple false and failed prophecies, and for his unflagging arrogance.
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I would probably just punch him.
Anyone who answers the challenge to "test" the Book of Mormon is warned that if they do, and the results are not what are required by mormons that the BOM is the word of God and Joseph Smith is a true prophet, they should NOT report their result here on FR.
If they do, the likelihood is that they will be accused of being "insincere" and/or not have tested "correctly".
Here is more on this "challenge".
Mormons sometimes claim James 1:5 as an example of such a direction. Is it really? The question of whether something is true or not is a question of facts. Possession of, or acquaintance with, facts, is knowledge. (Thus one speaks of knowing something is true, not of having wisdom that something is true.) Wisdom is the ability to interpret rightly the facts one knows, and the disposition to employ or act upon one's knowledge righteously. James 1:5 does not promise knowledge, but wisdom. Reading James 1 from the beginning one sees from the context that James was promising his readers that God would give them wisdom to understand why they were experiencing the trials and difficulties in which they found themselves. That they had such trials was a fact. It was "true" that they had difficulties. They "knew" that, and did not need God to tell them. But they needed wisdom to understand what they knew was true, and to respond to it righteously.
Mormons love to say that they are not trying to convert others to their religion; that the Holy Ghost does that. One need not take their word for the truth of their religion; one can appeal directly to God Himself for His testimony.
They frequently refer people investigating their religion to a promise in the Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:4: "And when ye shall receive these things [the Book of Mormon], I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost."
Christians refuting Mormonism sometimes point out that the verse directs one to ask "if these things are not true;" whereas most Mormons have asked, and urge Christians to ask, "if these things are true." However, these are both wordings of the same question, one put negatively, the other positively. There is really no difference, and no ground is won by such trivial objections.
Still, it is appropriate to examine this "promise" to see if it is a valid means for testing the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. The Bible directs, "Prove [test, examine] all things; hold fast that which is good," (1 Thess. 5:21). This does not mean that we should do as the Book of Mormon directs. Testing, or examining this promise is not the same as using it. Rather, one must examine it beforehand; one must actually use it only after it has been examined and found good. If the promise is to be examined and found good before it is actually used, there must be some standard external to itself by which it can be examined or evaluated. God has given just such a standard in the Scriptures.
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There is not only no good reason to do as Moroni 10:4 directs, there is very good reason not to do so. Again, either the Book of Mormon is true or it is false. If it is true, certainly doing as it directs would produce the results it promises. If it is false, however, then Moroni 10:4, being part of the book, is likewise false and an invalid means of finding out whether or not the book is true. Relying on its promise and attempting to submit to its terms exerts tremendous pressure on the seeker to prove himself sincere by receiving the promised manifestation, even while it is forcing him to be insincere. He must rely on its promise while insincerely professing not to know yet whether it is reliable. The result is a self-perpetuating spiral of self-deceit. The need for relief from the resulting inner turmoil can easily drag one into still further self-deceit, finding a supernatural manifestation where there is none.
That is not to say no genuinely supernatural manifestations occur. Self-deception brings God's wrath and judgement (Rom. 1:18-19). The person practicing it is abandoned not only to his own delusion but also to deception of another kind (2 Thess. 2:10-11). Asking for revelation from God, while refusing to take as his standard and live by what God had already revealed, is exactly what got King Ahab killed (1 Kings 22:1-40).
That people have actually received supernatural manifestations of one form or another upon following the directions of Moroni 10:4 should surprise no one (Eph. 6:12; 1 Tim. 4:1). To think otherwise is naive. If the Book of Mormon is false, one is just as likely to receive such a manifestation from a demonic source as one would be to receive it from a divine source if the Book of Mormon were true. It must be forcefully asserted then, such manifestations do not prove the Book of Mormon true any more than the miracles wrought by Jannes and Jambres before Moses and Pharaoh proved those magicians were from God.
To sum up, the Book of Mormon cannot be proven by any test of its own devising. It must be tested by the Bible. The teaching of Moroni 10:4 not only lacks any biblical foundation, it is contrary to the Bible's teaching. Moreover, it is a manipulative device which forces insincerity and self-deception, thus opening the door to demonic influence. Far from proving the Book of Mormon true, Moroni 10:4, itself weighed in the balance and found wanting, is sufficient evidence to prove the Book of Mormon false.
How ignorant does SLC headquarters think their followers ARE??
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About 2 Billion dollars per year ignorant.
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