Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site

Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.

We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.

We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.

Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.

For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.

And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.

And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.

Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.

We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.

I think we will all be surprised when we stand before God Almighty and His Son Jesus Christ, at who is there, and who is not. I want to be there.

I have Catholic friends who know who their savior is and they will be there too.

The issue however seems to me to focus more on whether professing believers on FR are evolutionists or believe in the biblical creation account. I believe in a literal six-day creation with God resting on the seventh day. I also believe Jesus Christ Himself is the Creator.

Here me out...that being said; I am not willing to break ranks with those who don’t believe that here on FR. My litmus test for my friends is really pretty simple; what is more important to them, an unborn baby or an “endangered” species? Most libs seem to favor the “endangered” species. After that I can go right down the line on the issues and find they tend to be diametrically opposed to what I believe and am willing to fight for. IE; gun control, oil exploration, social programs, PC etc etc..

In my studies and reading of our founding fathers, I have found that while most seem cleary to believe in Christ as their redeemer, there were certainly those who questioned that (Franklin, Payne, Greene). These men, while their belief in Christ as the creator/savior differs from mine, still fought heroically for a nation free from a tyrannical government. It is ironic to me that these same men quite admitted a creator God, and maybe worshipped him in their own way, but rejected Christ.

With respect to your beliefs,
I am; Gettinolder.

I for one can not understand how faith can be so blinding so as to believe, without doubt, something written thousands of years ago by people, we are not totally sure of who they are, as absolute proof.You YEC’s blow my mind in your literal translation of the bible.

Of course not. That's because you're ignorant.

The Torah was not written by "people" at all. It was written by G-d. And it was not written "thousands of years ago." It was written 974 generations before the universe was created, "on a scroll of white fire in letters of black fire." In the 974th generation of mankind it was then dictated to Moses letter-for-letter, and Moses wrote it down.

This is the immemorial tradition going all the way back to Sinai. This is why all kosher Torah scrolls are hand-written in accordance to the strictest rules imaginable--to assure that each kosher scroll will be a copy of the Original Scroll. This is why the sizes, shapes, and crowns of letters are so carefully prescribed and even the spaces between and among the letters. It is an altogether Divine work, the blueprint of the Creation. It is what chr*stians call the "logos," the DNA of the creation from which the universe is wholly derivative. In fact, the closest we'll ever come to knowing "why" G-d created the universe is "so Israel can observe the Torah." If you have Biblical fonts on your computer I can refer you to an excellent site with the original Hebrew letters.

However, it is very true that there are indeed Orthodox Jewish evolutionists--many "Modern Orthodox" and also charedim as well. One example of these is the late Rabbi 'Aryeh Kaplan (zt"l), who was a Sefaradi scholar and mystic from Salonika in Greece, and a very learned scientist to boot. However, even here, the "evolution" espoused is very different from that of secular evolutionists, as almost all Orthodox Jews (again, not all) insist that once Adam arrives on the scene all the events narrated in the Torah happened exactly as written within the traditional time frame. Rabbi Kaplan believed in a sort of "gap theory" in which the myriad worlds created and destroyed by HaShem before this one all took place on this earth and the fossils are the remnants of them. Other great rabbis like Rebbe Schneerson (zt"l) rejected this and insisted on an absolutely literal interpretation of Genesis with the prior "worlds" as purely spiritual entities. Personally, I hold with the latter view because zillions of years were simply unnecessary for G-d to create and form a universe whose laws never even began to function until the Sixth Day of creation when it was completed. Pardon the observation, but the assumption that the natural processes we witness today go "all the way back" unchanged and brought the universe into being is simply unnecessary.

If you don’t believe what I wrote then hanging it in your shop assumedly? with my FR name identifying me as a homeschooler, would seem like mocking.

I do not recall explaining why I would hang something up for future reference or example.

I did however consider hanging it up for the sheer uniqueness of the thoughts.

The words themselves can be looked upon and read at so many levels of understanding.

I do not wish to argue with you concerning the possible age(s) of this planet, nor the inhabitants and their source therof.

Also, I do not wish to condone nor lend credence to your observations and the conclusions you draw from them.

I merely commented upon, and wished to enshrine, the phrases you so eloquently put forth on the post alluded to.

I taught a YEC class to our homeschool group. The students actually added up (roughly) the geneaologies in the Bible, along with some time periods (Israels slavery in Egypt). We came up with 6009 years. Pretty close for 3-5 graders.

Thanks for the site.

You're most welcome.

Unfortunately, chr*stians don't know how to properly interpret the Torah so they make numerous mistakes in genealogy and history. For example, the Israelites were in Egypt only for 210 years, not four hundred or four hundred and thirty. These latter numbers are the years from the birth of Isaac and from the "covenant between the parts," respectively. Also the secular dating of the Babylonian Exile used by almost all chr*stians contradicts the traditional chronology.

All who acknowledge the Biblical G-d should acquaint themselves with traditional Jewish chronology so as to understand when everything really happened. (Did you know that Noah was still alive when Abraham was born and didn't die until Abraham was fifty-eight years old?)

Yes, I have heard of the Septaguent. And unless you believe that he ancient mystics wanted common men to know the meaning of the universe, you can accept it as complete. I do not. I say that GOD spoke to Man before man could write...long before...and that is lost to us. I also say that then, as now, those who wanted to control the people witheld knowledge deliberately. I ALSO say that to somehow believe that GOD would condone the deliberate witholding of knowledge is insane. And that anyone believes that this is all there is is wanting.
I also say that you do not give GOD nearly the credit GOD deserves...even as you insist that men’s words are GOD’s thoughts.

I could quote Scripture from now until the sun goes nova and still people would refuse to understand because someone once said that this is the truth, the WHOLE truth, and it isn’t. The WORD of GOD was spoken from the dawn of time. To say that THIS is all there ever is or was is folly. As for the Scriptures themselves, do YOU believe that GOD named the constellations of Orion or the Pleiades? They are in the Bible, so was it GOD, or was it men adding their own points of view?
Who are the Sons of GOD? Do you know? Do you care? because the Bible says it is the SONS of GOD who will return to test man.
My point was and is, that the Books and the arrangement of the Books, and the explanations given do not always fit or reflect what the Bible actually says, SHOULD say, OR the order in which it was written.
Committees of men decided the order of the Books and vast numbers of texts were left out of the finished product if the texts did not agree with their own prevailing viewpoints.
Job was written before Genesis, but it appears long after. If the Books were in proper order, and relevant texts that were left out were added for context, there would be far greater understanding and a much better conception of the time frame surrounding the creation of man and his journey.
Job clearly states that MAN was BORN KNOWING.

ANYONE who attempts to convince me that humans descended from apes will have a supreme fight on their hands. Although I have no doubt that the first man/woman did not appear then as he appears today, he was NOT an ape or anything OTHER than RECOGNIZABLY human, and that tribes or groups of humans learned different things at different paces, tribes split off from other tribes as their populations increased, and this explains how Cain found himself a wife.
The story of Cain needs to be explained and it IS in Job. Since humans were always human, Cain could not have found a wife that was other than human. It’s things like this that give evolutionists fodder to dis the Holy Scriptures.
Man is constantly changing in appearance, but not so that he becomes unrecognizable as a human being. Early man lived at the same time as early apes. Apes are still apes, bears are still bears, Humans are still Human, and never will be anything else under heaven.
I can speak English, Hebrew, and several other languages. Can an ape speak at ALL? Do changes in pitch or tone constitute a language? It is possible. I don’t discount that possibility, so I grant that they are sentient. What I DON’T grant, is that after hundreds of thousands of years, they remain exactly what they started out as. Why is it that evolutionists will NOT ever give MAN the same basic credit? Do they really think so little of themselves as humans?
And why do HUMANS give so little credit to GOD that they need to read MEN’S words which is secondhand knowledge? The nature of GOD is such that all men can receive GOD’S word if you have the faith and understanding you profess. GOD did not leave men. Men left GOD when they thought they had all the answers. They don’t.
They remind me of the blame America first crowd. We can’t REALLY be as good as we think we are since everything bad under the sun is our fault. Same with evolutionists. Humans just can’t get a break with these guys, and GOD can’t get a break with humans.
You will not find GOD in a book. You will only find what men THOUGHT about GOD. Men are fallible. GOD is NOT. Seek and ye shall find. Someone said that once upon a time. yet you would prevent the seeking. That does not compute.

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