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That leaves the only possibility being that Momma Obama, knowing that her son would run for president, sent some kind of payment via email, using PayPal to bribe the guys that worked at the Microfilm processing plant in endure that an Obama birth announcement was inserted into the master file!

No need for anything that conspiratorial. Given the circumstances, if Obama were born outside the US, it is entirely possible that his mother's status was not enough to convey citizenship due to her young age (the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth) and the father, of course, could not convey citizenship status at all. If Obama's mama (or grandparents) understood this, and wanted to ensure that Obama had the very valuable gift of American citizenship, they simply would have gone through the motions to pretend that he had been born in Hawaii. It does not have to involve any psychic ability to foresee a presidential run. US citizenship is valuable in its own right, even if you don't plan to run for president.

With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?

Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias, but it doesn't require any kind of conspiracy (until the presidential campaign) for things to have worked out in the way that some "birthers" theorize, and once the campaign began, it only required the Obama camp's minimal effort to avoid documentation of Obama's birth status to carry off the fraud. In fact, if Obama were really born in Kenya, I would imagine that his closest campaign advisors would have thought long and hard about whether they could pull of the campaign fraud using the existing birth fraud, and once they decided that it would work, they went ahead with it. So far, Obama's actions regarding his birth certificate seem to support the fraud theory.

the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth...

Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

The Framers must have had some great foresight and trust. Foresight to know that Hawaii would one day be a state and trust in the Hawaii State Legislature to define U.S. citizenship.

Given the circumstances, if Obama were born outside the US, it is entirely possible that his mother's status was not enough to convey citizenship due to her young age (the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth) and the father, of course, could not convey citizenship status at all.

Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Makes perfect sense...if your tinfoil beanie is on too tight.

With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?

Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing. If they were the result of people phoning the information in then wouldn't you think there would be some variation in the wording and differences in the information included?

Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias...

We don't have to paint Birthers as nut-jobs. They do a bang-up job of that all on their own.

Well stated rebuttal.

Your reply was well thought out and very calm.

I am not so calm about it.

I think everyone forgets that he is adopted ... which, as I understand it, hides all old data even blocks it, and the new data only is shown i.e. on the COLB short form.

Perhaps he is even adopted twice, once going out to Indonesia, once coming back.

Remember that he started college at 18 or 19 as Soetoro .... meaning he might have been an Indonesian even in his own mind until the second divorce.

ie a foreign student.

So , no one has asked how the short form would change as the old data was washed in the case of an adoption.

I also think it very likely he was born in Canada in an unwed mothers home altho no one has much looked into this.

That would explain Mom showing up in Seattle so soon after birth.By car.

Don’t we have any billionaires to hire a few private detectives? Or someone willing to pursue it all?

As for the other point about the value of American citizenship, you covered it better than me but anyone living and travelling internationally knows all of this and saying sneeringly that it must have been a conspiracy with the Presidential election in mind is so foolish, so stupid, it’s hard to reply without exploding. Obviously, the grandparents would want to file in Hawaii and take advantage of their lax laws to get ole Barry American Passport etc.

These “journalists” don’t understand or are just willfully stupid? It seems so easy.

And by the way, it was Barry who quietly backed the campaign to make McCain prove he was eligible so that later he could say “See, even born outside the USA, it’s OK to run for President.” He knew he was eligible so that whole episode was extremely weird.

There is also a question of where this information was obtained?

Was it obtained from the hospital subsequent to Obama’s birth, or was it obtained from the hall of records, the official place of government documentation?

Another words, could Obama’s folks have filed a formal documentation of birth at the hall of records, even though he wasn’t born in Hawaii, and the paper have merely picked up on that information to publish a birth announcement?

The long form and the underlying justification for it is what should be provided.

OPompous is fighting the release of that. Why? What possible legitimate reason could he have?

If Obama's mama (or grandparents) understood this, and wanted to ensure that Obama had the very valuable gift of American citizenship, they simply would have gone through the motions to pretend that he had been born in Hawaii.

That would have been totally unnecessary. If Obama really had been born outside the US, it is true he would not be a US citizen at brith. However, because his mother was a US citizen, he would be entitled to a nonquota immigrant visa, easily obtained from any US consolate, allowing him to legally enter the US with his mother. Upon his arrival, he would then be eligible for immediate naturalization. All his mother would have to do was fill out a form, show proof of her own US citizenship and that she was his biological mother, and he would be a citizen in as little time as it would take to process the paperwork.

This is all under the the Immigration and Nationality act of 1952.

Now why in the world would Stanley Ann risk a felony conviction and commit fraud to get her son citizenship, when she could have easily obtained it through legal means?