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1 posted on 12/08/2009 4:59:24 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Say it!


2 posted on 12/08/2009 5:00:31 AM PST by blackminorca
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 12/08/2009 5:01:12 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Climategate rundown (extensive)
Ping me if you find one I've missed.



4 posted on 12/08/2009 5:03:18 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Kaslin

Dude, your breath is killing me. EPA says.


5 posted on 12/08/2009 5:11:24 AM PST by Paladin2
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Climate models can’t accurately project the weather 100 HOURS in the future


6 posted on 12/08/2009 5:11:52 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark


7 posted on 12/08/2009 5:14:03 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Kaslin

bump


8 posted on 12/08/2009 5:20:00 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: Kaslin
So how can we, given our limited knowledge of how the climate works, attribute the extremely limited amount of warming we experienced over the last century to mankind? The honest answer is: We can't. (Bold text mine)

This is the controlling issue for this topic - we DO NOT understand how the earth's climate works at even a fundamental level. If we don't understand how it works, how can we say that it is broken and it is the fault of humans??

9 posted on 12/08/2009 5:30:17 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Kaslin

Michael Mann is a pretty big “hole”, as well as that English bloke who’s ‘t5emporarily’ stepped down for his scientific colonoscopy.

Now I’ll go back and read about the other two... ;-P


11 posted on 12/08/2009 5:37:21 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Kaslin
#5 Climate data is suspect. Not just because it has now been shown that disreputable frauds masquerading as scientists and academics falsified and withheld data to push their social and political agenda... No, there is an even better reason to doubt the data.

Consider that for long term data collection, they are talking about weather data collected from over 150 years ago. In that time, land use, population, and measurement technology (accuracy and precision) have all changed. Therefore, when working with (analyzing) data from that far back climate "scientists" (although guessers would also be a good term) have to make adjustments to the data. There are several adjustments made, eg. for land use, population, technology, etc.

The 800 lb gorilla in the room that they don't talk about is that these "adjustments" to the data are larger, far larger, than the supposed man-caused warming trend. That's right. They may predict a 0.2 C increase per century or whatever, but the total adjustments to their temperature data may be well over 2.0 C!!! Obviously, a minor change in the values of the adjusting factors can wipe out, even reverse the man-made contribution.

So, how do the climate "scientists" know they are using the right adjustments? ... {crickets} ... They look at historical data and look for trends based on land use, population, technology... But wait, this is the very same data they are using to support their man-caused global warming...??? That's right, they have multiple unknowns, but only one set of data of questionable accuracy. We're supposed to trust their judgment. Trust the judgement of these same people who have been caught lying and falsifying academic and scientific work.

Man-caused global warming: perhaps the biggest scam ever perpetrated.

13 posted on 12/08/2009 5:43:57 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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Wednesday, July 08, 2009

Consensus

(C)Copyright 2009, C. Burke. All rights reserved.


A long time ago, I learned that Science was about observation, data and proof, and there was always room for debate. And, the ones using the word 'deniers' should get a new dictionary and look up the word 'consensus'.

Ironically, this kind of Inquisition could stifle the most inquisitive minds.



15 posted on 12/08/2009 5:58:00 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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The next time some alarmist tells you that in 25,50 or 100 years from now the earht will be 3,5 or 8 degrees C warmer, think of long range (5 day) projected path of a tropical storm generated by computer models. Predicting the path of a hurricane 5 days out is a much easier problem then predicting climate 50 years from now. Now how often do tropical storms follow the long range predicted path?


18 posted on 12/08/2009 6:10:09 AM PST by jpsb
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The next time some alarmist tells you that in 25,50 or 100 years from now the earht will be 3,5 or 8 degrees C warmer, think of long range (5 day) projected path of a tropical storm generated by computer models. Predicting the path of a hurricane 5 days out is a much easier problem then predicting climate 50 years from now. Now how often do tropical storms follow the long range predicted path?


19 posted on 12/08/2009 6:11:44 AM PST by jpsb
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#5 You can’t express the temperature of the globe as a scalar value to four decimal places without showing how you did it, and not expect people to doubt your results.

#6 We don’t know enough about what we don’t know about the climate. For instance the Pacific and Atlantic Decadal Oscillations may be on track to produce an unexpected 2 or 3 decade cooling trend.

Just off the top of this Round Earth Skeptics head.


20 posted on 12/08/2009 6:16:08 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Stop the change - I want to get off!)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTmbcyeZ9ic&feature=related from 2:59 on explains why this will NEVER change their minds. Listen to the entire 9th part as well. If you want your eyes opened listen to the entire 9 part interview. I don’t mean to preach, but it’s eye opening.


21 posted on 12/08/2009 6:18:48 AM PST by erman
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“One of the many revelations from Climategate is that behind-the-scenes, scientists who buy into man-made global warming are admitting what skeptics have been saying publicly for years now: The globe has been cooling since 1998.”


From what I heard this morning, this cooling trend is coming to an abrupt end; according to the report from FNC, the UN will announce that not only was 2009 the warmest year on record—the entire decade was the warmest in recorded history. I’d like to see the data that supports this conclusion since they appear to only be using regional temperatures from Africa and parts of Asia.


22 posted on 12/08/2009 6:38:15 AM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *sses.)
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To: Kaslin
When was the last time you heard a scientist get hysterical when you asked him to explain Einstein's theory of relativity?

If you ask a scientist why nothing can move faster than the speed of light, he doesn't tell you a terrible story about how koala bears will die if you don't believe the theory is right, does he?

Scientists who are confident and in command of the facts don't need to distort data and duck basic questions about the assumptions that are behind scientific theories.

BINGO!

23 posted on 12/08/2009 7:21:07 AM PST by GOPJ (Climategate-Who do YOU trust? MSM journalists-Used car salesmen-Alarmist scientists-None of above?)
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Climate models can’t accurately project the weather 100 years in the future:


Heck, they can’t get a 3 day weather forcast right..............


25 posted on 12/08/2009 8:22:07 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Kaslin

Bill Nye “The Science Guy”, made a huge, Bozo-like fool of himself yesterday on CNN. Anderson Cooper was actually pretty tough.


28 posted on 12/08/2009 12:17:22 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Kaslin

We need to quit arguing science with these people and realize this is about Communism and Totalitarianism. It’s politics, not weather.


30 posted on 12/08/2009 12:21:40 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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