[cyn]

This was referenced in the body of a previous thread, but needs to have its own thread. Edited.

[cyn]

Thanks for posting this information at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2399326/posts — What really happened on AirTrans flight 297?

[pctech]

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[STONEWALLS]

...shouldn’t the passengers sue the Muslims for trauma?...demand a jury of their peers and get a hefty award?....after all didn’t we all suffer post traumatic stress from 9-11 and an incident like this just refreshes it?...that’s worthy of compensation.

[Man50D]

Below is an email I received regarding that flight.

One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.

This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied) The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. The terrorists wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

I’m telling this to you because I want you to know….

The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes….

-Tedd Petruna

[CPOSharky]

Interfearing with a flight crew. Wouldn’t anyone else get locked up for doing that?

[Made In The USA]

Thank you for posting this, 2 comments:

1. The media continues to fail us by sanitizing stories or simply not reporting them at all. True to form, I first heard the full story this morning on conservative talk radio (Quinn & Rose). Then I catch it here. Otherwise, it was a story I had not heard and probably would not have. Leads me to wonder what else is not being reported.

2. These men should have been questioned and locked up. Why they were allowed to continue on their flight should be investigated and made public. I don’t think this was a matter of their being too stupid to realize how their actions would be interpreted. The incident seemed too much like a dry-run for something larger, if it was gimic of some sort... theys should still be punished.

I lied, third comment:

3. I wish a few concerned passengers would have dealt some street justice. Acting like a terrorist on an airplane after 9/11... they would have deserved everything they got.

[G Larry]

Counter-Terrorism is NOT “hate” or “profiling”!

[AlaskaErik]

I'm thinking these diaperheads just want to shake down the airline, kind of like Jesse Jackson shakes down corporations.

[Calm_Cool_and_Elected]

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[ryan71]

It’ll take a nuclear explosion in an American city for people to stop making excuses for radical Islam.

Nothing less.

[tanknetter]

Probably not a dry run, but creating a “look at us, we’re poor, oppresses, muslim victims” situation.

The fact that they went after a smaller carrier (AirTran), which can’t absorb the impacts from a profiling lawsuit like the larger carriers can, is a pretty good indication of what their motivations are. As is how it happened on the 3rd anniversary of USAir 300.

There are two possible solutions to this. First, it’s time to put video cameras into airplane cabins, just like many jurisdictions do with busses (school and regular), subways and the like. Loss of privacy for the passengers, yes ... but it’ll both act as a deterrent to this sort of nonsense and provide a visual/audible record for use in defense of lawsuits and possible prosecutions.

Second, there should be a pool of Air Marshal “floaters” staged at every airport. This kind of sh*t happens and the airline is required to allow the disruptors back onto the plane, a couple guys with visible badges and guns go on board as well and sit in the front and rear jumpseats. Again, this acts as both a deterrent and an additional set of eyes (LEO eyes) to whatever continues to transpire. It’ll also help calm the passengers who choose to stay on board.

[Renegade]

Good thing the A hole on the phone wasn’t sitting next to me!

[smalltownslick]

Maybe not a dry run? Could this be the actual terror event itself? Just keep doing this kind of stuff repeatedly and people become too afraid to go about their normal business.

[Logic n' Reason]

Very scary article...and one that supports a decision I made some three years ago.

This is a personal decision! However, I recommend it highly.

I no longer fly commercial aircraft. I will continue this practice until such time as all commercial airlines proactively and strictly enforce extra ordinary safety precautions regarding muslim passengers (and those appearing to be muslim).
1. No more than two such individuals on any given flight (NO EXCEPTIONS).
2. These passengers will be assigned aisle seats at the front of the economy cabin or at the rear of the first class cabin if the seat has been paid for.
3. These passengers will be allowed no carry on baggage, no electronic devices of any kind, no religious tracts, books, posters, or pamphlets on their person.
4. These passengers will not be allowed to sing, chant, hum, or otherwise voice any arabic language whatsoever. They will keep silent unless addressed by flight crew or other passengers. They will speak only English.
5. Pre-boarding inspection of these types of passengers will be a full body search including all clothing (including the turban). Anything considered "suspicious" by the TSA will be immediately confiscated.

Until these procedures are put in effect by commercial airlines, I will not fly.

The rest.....is up to you.

[Candor7]

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[Uri’el-2012]

From http://www.airtran.com/aircraft/new_717_jets.aspx

117 seats in mixed class configuration – 12 Business Class, 105 coach