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[BurbankKarl]

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[rabscuttle385]

That is a totally ridiculous statement based upon propaganda put out by liberals. Iraqis are much much much better off for us getting rid of that tyrant for them...

I think that TARP that President Bush accepted was necessary and the correct way to do it...no strings attached. It saved our economy...

The No Child Left Behind act was a good thing and has resulted in improvement in minority children education...

Oh dear, how shall I even begin to address this sort of political relativism you two Bushbots seem to have been indoctrinated with?

One, the purpose of the United States armed services is to defend United States territory, property, and lawful residents. PERIOD. Not the advancement of human "freedom," especially if such "freedom" is purchased using funds taken from the future earnings of present and future United States citizens, or, in other words, through the exchange of one American's freedom for the freedom of someone else in the world who has no stake, no claim, or obligation to the United States or to the various States.

To quote Reagan's famous 27 Oct. 1964 speech:

And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth...This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

Or, in other words, you are praising an act in which the freedom of future Americans was involuntarily traded away for the freedom of another individual somewhere else in this world. You are praising an act in which "a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol" decided for millions of young Americans, and even millions of those unborn, how they should run their lives--i.e., by committing their future tax dollars to Big Government give-aways around the world--and they did so without the consent of those individuals.

That isn't conservative, nor is it pro-America, pro-freedom, or pro-Constitution. It is, however, despicable, disgusting, and morally repugnant, and the fact that you two endorse such acts in full knowledge of their impropriety means that you are either stupid, too indoctrinated to know any better, or willingly in bed with the rest of the traitors in Washington, New York, Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

Two, the rule of law demands that no one, not even the Government, is above the law.

The ends never justify the means, otherwise committing a partial-birth abortion to develop medical cures that save the lives of hundreds would be justified, a logical contradiction to the notion that all individuals are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Three, neither TARP nor No Child Left Behind nor the Big Government give-aways in foreign lands are explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution. That you are advocating for such un-Constitutional actions by the Federal government signifies either stupidity, ignorance, or elitism on your part; either way, you appear to have zero respect for the Constitution except when your bunch of statists is out of power and your left-wing counterparts are busy growing the Federal government in a direction that doesn't meet with your agenda of reshaping the world in ways that you deem appropriate.

You do not seem to understand that we are fighting a war. The War On Terror is real sickoflibs, if we stop fighting today the war would not be over. There are ebbs and flows in all wars, this one included. What has hurt us more than anything is the aiding and abetting of the left to help the terrorists.

Why don't you go chew on this, Bushbot?

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down -- [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

Want to fight a war? Fine. Then play by the rules, lawfully declare the war, and actually fight instead of engaging in nation-building and handing out U.S. taxpayer dollars like there's no tomorrow.

[rabscuttle385]

The party is being lead towards the right direction for us...and it is McCain who is leading #7

Wtf is this, some sort of sick joke? What sort of drugs were you smoking last September, and did you buy them from BHO?

No wonder the GOP is where it is today, when it's led by people who say things such as

"I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have
no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."
U.S. SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, 02 APR. 2004

McCain won’t quit on you, President Bush didn’t quit on you. Look in the mirror people, there you will find the quitters #80

Then what do you call this?

"I have to tell you, [Obama] is a decent person, a person that you
do not have to be scared [of] as president of the United States."
U.S. SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, 10 OCT. 2008

[stephenjohnbanker]

“The party is being lead towards the right direction for us...and it is McCain who is leading #7

Wtf is this, some sort of sick joke? What sort of drugs were you smoking last September, and did you buy them from BHO?”

I will comment, but first I have to clean the barf off of my keyboard.........or replace it ;-)

[ohioWfan]

rab, be a dear and don't ping me to your banal responses to posts I have not written.

I really don't care what you think about anything. You have proven to be an untrustworthy freeper and therefore your comments are of no concern to me.

Thanks ever so much. (Trying to clear the meaningless clutter out of my busy, full and fulfilling life).

[ohioWfan]

[ohioWfan]

Alito, Roberts, and a host of conservative federal judges.

Bush's gift to the United States of America in selecting only Constitution honoring, law abiding judges.

Without Bush's contributions to the bench, this country would be done with. Over. We are hanging on by a slim conservative thread because of George W. Bush, and I thank God for that.

[ohioWfan]

I'm not going to fight you any more, mk. I told you that.

Your (blasphemous) "rebuke" of me shook me up. It made me realize that there is no way that I can win your game of meanness. You're very good at it.

I am going to take you at your word that you are a brother in Christ, and I do not believe that God wants us to behave badly toward each other. So in as much is it depends on me, you and I will live in peace, as a Christian brother and sister.

Consider it "whining" if you will. I am trying to amend my bad behavior, with the Lord's help. (I stink on my own, as you well know).

I ask your forgiveness and pray that we can move on. If that's no what you want, the best thing will be for us to ignore each other.

Peace.

[mkjessup]

As usual, you conjure up images of 'fighting', 'meanness', 'blasphemy', ad nausem, and as you have in the past, you have chosen to bring religion into this when it has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed.

Your imaginary 'fight' is not with me. The challenge for you is to go back to Rabscuttle385's post #192 and prove the facts that he cited are wrong.

As for my 'forgiving' you, you haven't done or said anything that warrants my offering 'forgiveness', we're not in church, we're on a conservative political website, and if I see (or am pinged) to something you've posted that I consider to be nonsense, I'm going to respond. Simple as that.

How about a little less religious posturing, and a little more political debate?

[ohioWfan]

I'm not "posturing," mk. I am being honest, and I am being who I am. My behavior on a political forum is just as visible to God as my behavior in church.

You know what has gone on between us, and it is sinful on both sides.

If you choose to, let's have a political discussion some time, with all the insults left out. I love discussing politics, and I love defending my conservatism AND my respect for George W. Bush (which are completely compatible).

I'll gladly do it any day with honest participants, and have done so, even on this thread.

In as much as it is up to me, you and I will live in peace. No conjured images. Just an honest attempt to make things right.

(Oh......and rabscuttle keeps posting volumes to me in response to posts I have not written. I have no obligation to respond to such nonsense. Anyone who pings a support group to get a gang around him.....afraid to go it alone?.....does not deserve a response. rabscuttle has a record of doing so, and as I said, I'm ridding my life of such meaningless waste).

[ohioWfan]

Courtesy ping to my last post.

Don't respond, please. Just letting you know what I said about you.

[genetic homophobe]

What about Hariet Miers?

[Engineer_Soldier]

That is a totally ridiculous statement based upon propaganda put out by liberals. Iraqis are much much much better off for us getting rid of that tyrant for them.

Obviously you've never been to Iraq. We have made a huge mess of that nation and for no good reason at all. Our invasion of that nation was all good for nobody. I just got back in August from that cess pool and you can see evidence of the old infrastructure from before we invaded. Simply put: Those people require (due to their religion) an absolute tyrant to control them. It's their belief. Our type of Christian freedom is sinful to their Islamic beliefs. That's why we'll never build a democracy there...NEVER! I hope this is a lesson for future wars. We go in, kick @$$, then leave.

[Engineer_Soldier]

I understand the problem with limited government and spending, but I also see the tax-cutting and pro-business policies that Bush has as part of the overall conservatism.

I understand the problem with shooting innocent people, but I also see the second amendment usage as a step in the right direction......Sounds absurd right? So does your statement. Cutting taxes while outspending every previous democrat is worse than raising taxes and overspending. Bush was our Carter....plain and simple.

[Engineer_Soldier]

One of the intended consequences of universal suffrage...

I heard once that one used to have to own land in order to vote. If true, it may not be a bad idea except that I'm in the military and don't own land. But, I bet everybody would invest in this land instead of mooching off of it if every voter had a personal stake in it.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”(Oh......and rabscuttle .... Anyone who pings a support group to get a gang around him.....afraid to go it alone?.....does not deserve a response. rabscuttle has a record of doing so, and as I said, I'm ridding my life of such meaningless waste).”

Afraid to go it alone? You threatened to report me to the moderators three times for pinging you (I only pinged you in response to you pinging critical of me.) You have a great habit of making up your own rules to suit yourself. Is crying Mommy to the moderators because you have no argument your idea of 'going it alone' ?

Dont forget to threaten me with the moderators again for pinging you! Your post below looks like spam since you posted the exact same TEXT to me the same day, against the rules:

Don't ping me to anything at any time.
Feel free to respond to comments I have made on threads if you disagree with me, but resurrecting old discussions from other threads (especially really old ones) just to pick fights unsolicited is against FR rules. (ohioWfan to genetic homophobe November 28, 2009 ) #25

What's nice is you show us where all the Bush worship threads are.

[sickoflibs]

I know you miss the days when anyone critical of Bush was considered the enemy, but those days are over.

[mkjessup]

I'm not "posturing," mk. I am being honest, and I am being who I am. My behavior on a political forum is just as visible to God as my behavior in church.

In the past, when you have been IN church, tell me: have you ever suddenly jumped up in the congregation, thrown your arms in the hair, and shouted "HALLELUJAH, for GEORGE W. BUSH!!", and started speaking in a Texas twang and drawl? "Oh Saint GEORGE, I LUVS YA!!!"

Of course not.

So using that same standard, why would you persist in beating the drum and blowing the trumpet about your religious beliefs in a political forum, in which the topic has nothing to do with ANY religion? Let's look at it another way:

My behavior on a political forum is just as visible to God as my behavior in church.

When I head to my bathroom to take a big hairy dump, God knows about that too, but I leave it in the bowl, flush twice, and I am not compelled to exit the head and proceed to yap about it. Take the hint lady.

You know what has gone on between us, and it is sinful on both sides.

Oh BS. You sling that sin word around like Billy Sunday condemned booze and original sin. Give it a rest.

If you choose to, let's have a political discussion some time, with all the insults left out. I love discussing politics, and I love defending my conservatism AND my respect for George W. Bush (which are completely compatible).

I've seen your 'political discussions' many times, you habitually start the sneers at those who disagree with you (and that's fine, Finley Peter Dunne said "politics ain't beanbag") but when responded to in kind, you immediately play the victim card, call your adversaries 'trolls', and periodically threaten to drag in the mods. Any comment which is not delicately phrased and candy coated for your intellectual digestion ends up being considered an 'insult' by your always-changing 'rules', however you will always feel free to insult other Freepers. Any discussion on FR is WYSIWYG, your choice is to dish it out IF you can handle what gets dished out to you, or don't participate. Simple as that. If you have to demand certain 'rules' and 'conditions' and special considerations for the rest of us to discuss anything with you, quite frankly you're on the wrong forum.

I'll gladly do it any day with honest participants, and have done so, even on this thread.

Hey, get a clue: EVERYONE is an 'honest participant' because EVERYONE has their own unique view and perspective, you may not like what they have to say but they are most certainly honest about their opinions and unless they are a most obvious troll (and you need to refresh your understanding of what a 'troll' really is), they have every right to respond to what you may post and to dissect and take apart any one of your assertions in any way or style they wish. If you don't like that, it's your problem.

In as much as it is up to me, you and I will live in peace. No conjured images. Just an honest attempt to make things right.

I reiterate: you have no monopoly on what is 'honest'. You can post as you see fit, as can anyone else. If someone 'conjures an image' that you might not like, that is their right and you have to deal with it.

(Oh......and rabscuttle keeps posting volumes to me in response to posts I have not written. I have no obligation to respond to such nonsense. Anyone who pings a support group to get a gang around him.....afraid to go it alone?.....does not deserve a response)

Oh for cryin' out loud, drop this nonsense about 'support groups', do you consider yourself part of a 'support group' when (for example) STARWISE pings you to some Bush rah-rah post you have not written? Of course not (and I am pinging STARWISE because it is simple FR courtesy to do so when mentioning another poster).

rabscuttle has a record of doing so, and as I said, I'm ridding my life of such meaningless waste).

Rabscuttle is one of the finest FReepers on this forum, he stands for the Constitution, he stands for every principle that this Republic was founded upon. He is to the liberals, liars and their RINO-enablers what salt is to a slug on the sidewalk. As for your sneering about 'meaningless waste', I contend that you are intellectually incapable of debating him, you do not have the requisite conservative firepower to engage him on the issues. That is why you have refused to address the facts he raised way back in his post # 192.

You say you're a conservative? Study what Rabs stands for, he is as conservative as they come and I daresay that Ronald Reagan himself would endorse him and what he has to say.

[ohioWfan]

The day one of you makes a post to me without calling in your little support group will be the day that I take any one of you seriously as a legitimate political participant. Until then, I will consider your groupthink as a weakness.

(Actually, mk, though I don't spend that much time on FR, the day I see you criticize Obama with the same vitriol that I see you bash Bush and eviscerate those who support him, will be the day I take YOU seriously. Never see you on an anti-Obama thread).

What STARWISE does is ping us to posts that are of interest to Bush supporters. What you do is ping a group of people to help you try to humiliate anyone who doesn't hate Bush as much as you do.

No interest in continuing this. And no interest in defending the fact that there is no part of my life outside Christ........... especially my politics. There is no anonymity in faith.

Now you buck up and try to be brave, and I'll be seeing you.

[ohioWfan]

You're the one that's "over," sicklib.

Quit breaking FR rules and stop posting to me.

In that order.

[ohioWfan]

Mistake.

Corrected.