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Climate Change Data Dumped
Timesonline ^ | November 29, 2009 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 11/28/2009 7:05:01 PM PST by caveat emptor

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years....In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechangedata; climategate; corruption; fraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; science
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To: caveat emptor; SunkenCiv

“Honey, have you seen my raw data?”
“Oh, I threw that out”
“You THREW IT OUT??!!”
“Yeah, no matter how many times I washed it, I just couldn’t remove the “stains”!!”


61 posted on 11/29/2009 6:06:47 AM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: DrDavid
If this is correct, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395852/posts then carbon dioxide can't cause greenhouse warming, because it would violate the laws of physics.

More precisely, current and anticipated levels of CO2 can't cause the kind of greenhouse warming that they're screaming about. Venus has a runaway greenhouse effect, but Venus' atmosphere is 97% CO2, versus 0.038% for Earth.

62 posted on 11/29/2009 6:52:52 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Brytani
As much as I hate to say it, I doubt the entire global warming crowd is even greatly harmed by the release of the emails etc. With trillions of dollars in jeopardy there is no way those set up to profit are going to give up.

I agree. The left never bats an eye when caught in blatant lying and deceit, as long as their power and money aren't threatened. As long as they're protected by and in turn protecting, the left in power, they will never have to answer for any crimes and lies.
63 posted on 11/29/2009 8:10:20 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: mrsmel; Brytani
The left has too much to lose. With "commander zero" holding the most influential position in the world this is their best hope of achieving their goals. They will now push harder than ever.

If the Republicans let them get away with this they are done as a party.

64 posted on 11/29/2009 8:43:40 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Steely Tom
I find it very hard to believe that at least some of this data wasn't archived, or at least written down in notebooks.

It is unbelievable...unless they never used real data.?!?

If the data really does prove AGW, they would have guarded to preserve the only proof a real scientist would believe.

If the data really did not prove AGW without "adjusting" for the desired outcome, then I suspect they would still have saved it because future research may be possible.

Either they never had data, or they are lying their pants off. Either case is criminal, prosecutable, and academic misconduct worthy of losing their positions and credentials.

65 posted on 11/29/2009 8:52:01 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: SteamShovel
I know. It really is obvious, isn't it, to anyone who's ever done real science, even if it was only as a research assistant in undergraduate school.

They made it up. They simply made it up, out of whole cloth. It's entirely BS, from top to bottom. You know it and I know it.

Vast amounts of research funding were available; enough to keep dozens of graduate students paid for years (I mean dozens for every professor on the list, of course). Not only that, but swim against the tide and you got squat, at best. Zeroed out. Not a penny. At worst, you were accused of being a bought-and-paid-for shill of the oil industry. No funding. No graduate students. No cute, female graduate students. Even if the broad public doesn't see it, their collegues certainly do. It's not the first time scientists have sold out in order to get a place at the head table. It won't be the last either.

66 posted on 11/29/2009 9:10:30 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Eagles6

Even worse than any political consequences to the Republican party, is the huge step this will be in cementing the serfdom of American citizens. Starting with Wilson’s “temporary” income tax, expanded under FDR and then LBJ, buttressed by the left’s utter infiltration of and power over media and academia for many decades, and given free reign by the deliberate dumbing-down of the American populace—all at a convergence in our own time. Healthscam, cap and trade, “green” taxes and policies, the apathy and entitlement mentality of Americans, the dilution of the value of our precious vote by ACORN-style corruption and creation of entitlement voters through “social programs”, “victim” groups and illegal immigrants, the corruption of our justice system—doesn’t leave many places to turn. The left took the long view many years, decades ago, while the right was still and is still looking to the next political victory-winning battles while losing the war.


67 posted on 11/29/2009 9:32:41 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: Steely Tom
No cute, female graduate students.

The real motive to fudge data.

68 posted on 11/29/2009 9:36:30 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: SteamShovel
You know what I'm talkin' 'bout.
69 posted on 11/29/2009 9:41:18 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: caveat emptor
ACORN dumped records when they thought they were going to get caught too.

Destroying evidence is a common criminal tactic...

70 posted on 11/29/2009 9:42:59 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific FRAUD in history-James Lewis)
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To: Brytani

Exactly but it up to all of us to make sure that everyone knows what a fraud this is. I so want to see all of the lefties who invested deeply into this fraud lose every dime!


71 posted on 11/29/2009 9:44:21 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: crusher
If these troglodytes did ditch their “data” it was only because they knew at the time they were engaged in scientific fraud. That is literally the only plausible explanation.

You're right about this - I've seen punch cards saved since the 70's...

72 posted on 11/29/2009 9:44:37 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific FRAUD in history-James Lewis)
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To: Steely Tom

IMHO all of their computers both work and home need the hard drives taken now so anything that was ever on them can be extracted to see if it all can be retrived or at least some of it that is still there.


73 posted on 11/29/2009 9:46:56 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: mrsmel

I agree.


74 posted on 11/29/2009 9:59:59 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: caveat emptor; Little Bill; Nervous Tick; 4horses+amule; Desdemona; Fractal Trader; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

75 posted on 11/29/2009 10:10:16 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
I must have slept through the class describing that type of data. Oh...wait...it’s coming back to me...I think it was also called “fudged”.

POOMA

76 posted on 11/29/2009 7:01:18 PM PST by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.)
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To: chris_bdba

Hey....it won’t matter to Congress if it was proven a fraud and a scam.

They’ll vote for it anyway....and there will be investigations on.....”What really happened to the DATA?” and still going on to 2020.


77 posted on 11/29/2009 8:54:27 PM PST by bobaloobob
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To: caveat emptor

I keep my family’s genealogy records. As such I’ve made all sorts of electronic copies of the old photographs and documents. Under no circumstances would I ever consider throwing away any of the original material. For these guys to claim it was thrown away for lack of space is a lie. I assume that the claim that it was thrown away in the ‘80s is a lie too. Thrown away or hidden when McIntyre asked for it is probably closer to the truth.


78 posted on 11/30/2009 12:48:14 AM PST by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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To: caveat emptor

An excellent summary.


79 posted on 11/30/2009 9:57:20 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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