Haven't there been enough purges on this site?
Posted on 11/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Apparently there are still some posters on FR who are fast asleep. Wake up! Dammit! We are in the middle of a conservative rebellion! While you were sleeping we, along with millions of other freedom loving grassroots Americans have participated in hundreds of tea parties all across this great land and fully intend to keep it up until all of America is awake. We are fed up and mad as hell! We grassroots Americans are delivering a message to the ruling class: NO MORE!!
No more big government! No more high taxes! No more government bailouts! No more government takeovers! No government healthcare! No more corruption! No more global baloneyism!!
We're sick and tired of liberals and RINOs running roughshod over our God given Liberty!
We want our country back! We want our freedom back! We want it all back!!
No more socialism!!
Cut the taxes! Cut the spending! Cut the government!
Restore the constitutional limits on government! Restore our freedom!!
And not only no, but HELL NO to liberals and RINOS!!
Free Republic will not support RINOS!! Rudy McRomney, et al, can go straight to hell!!
The strategy is we win, they lose.
Any questions?
Cedric, you're either a female or a gay male. Which?
I can't answer your hypothetical because I don't have enough facts about the election itself, who is running, is it local, state, federal, etc. etc. This is why most thinking people won't answer hypotheticals and I cannot in this case.
However, I can give you a case in which I would vote for the extremely liberal democrat instead of the "moderate" RINO. It happened in the last presidential election cycle.
Rush Limbaugh figured out that voting for Hillary Clinton in states where votes for John McCain didn't matter to the outcome of the race (like in my state of Virginia IIRC) could put the democratic race into "chaos." In fact, Rush called it "Project Chaos."
Had Sarah Palin not joined the race I was seriously considering doing just as Rush suggested in large part because I had independently come to the same conclusion myself. But I voted for Sarah.
So, my answer in general is that I will choose the best tactics for the battle at hand and not even try to shoehorn myself into a useless, hypothetical ideological straight jacket.
My position on being against gay marriage is I see it as yet another attack on the moral foundations of this country period. It has to do with the entire gay agenda and the damage they are doing to the fabric of our society as a whole.
It’s what I mean about “extra” rights.
I would be willing to live and let live. Stay away from me and my children. Keep your private life private and OUT of our classrooms. They are not so inclined. States and the fed gov have mandated that we accept this as normal and natural. It isn’t.
This is part and parcel of government forcing an unwilling population to accept that which is anathema to our values as parents and our religious faiths.
“Likewise with the death penalty; that is a States issue, and if a State chooses not to support the death penalty that is the State’s right.”
I agree it is a states right issue. Having said that, I am still pro death penalty for non-governmental reasons. Thou shalt not murder. It is an enduring facet of my faith, that the death penalty for murder is sacrosanct. IF you commit any other act, you may apologize to the victim, or ask the victim of your crime for forgiveness. In the case of murder, that is obviously impossible.
“Drugs should not be Federally controlled; the Feds can constitutionally only get involved if those drugs are transported across State lines or imported (actual commerce); drugs grown or brewed within a State should be free of Federal interference within that same State.”
Which is why I said I cannot make a blanket statement about drugs. It is a far more complicated issue than simply skimming the surface.
I do not like government mandates handed down from on high telling me what I can or cannot do on my own property.
I do not like government mandates that prohibit this country from using our own natural resources sending us into dependence when it is totally unnecessary.
I do not like the federal government telling me I MUST drive a vehicle that even my small frame can barely fit into.
And I could go on and on, but Conservative values are pretty straight across the board. To paraphrase a federal judge, I don’t know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it.
What a silly mistaken assumption for you to make, I have never made that mistake.
It scares me that you think that conservatives are “the fringe people”.
You are also a liar.
This is the statement I posted to you.
Why are you rino types always attacking freerepublic as being fringe people when we don't support your rino candidates,I guess the enemies of conservatism share a world view and a common enemy list.
You are a rino and you have been pushing Mitt Romney here for years, you were one of the most dedicated and passionate Romney promoters as you fought for him all over FR, and as you are now.
You know you always have a place here.
Gee, why would you even think about me being banned?
Unless....
“Neither McCain nor Graham would fit in at all in the Democratic party.”
If so, they both should get out of politics, because they sure as hell don’t belong in the Republican party.
“Even when they disagree with the conservatives on something, they rarely are on board with the liberal version of things.”
McCain Feingold?
Sotomayor?
Amnesty?
Cap N Trade?
Sorry,they ARE on board with liberal versions of things
“Heck, we’d jump at the chance to replace the two Maine senators with these two.”
I wouldn’t
“but if you can’t beat these guys in primaries, and you decide to turn their seats over to democrats, it won’t make things better.”
The RNC has become infested with RINO’s. They think they can promote a RINO, and we must eat it. Your idea is the surest way to guarantee we get a succession of RINO’s. I won’t play!
That's fine. I'm not trying to pigeonhole you. I believe it's a legitimate question, yet understand your reluctance to respond..
My own position has evolved since this past presidential election. I was not going to vote for the presidency until Sarah Palin was selected by McCain. That one decision brought me on board. I still punched the box while holding my breath, and with much distaste for the head of the ticket. Obviously, it got me (us) nowhere.
This taught me that making concessions when we follow a ticket is usually little better than not voting at all. As you say, much depends on the candidate, but as a whole, those who qualify as RINOs are generally little different than their Democrat opposites. This is especially true for incumbents. Because of this, I will not be voting for Republicans simply because of their party affiliation. I've drawn my line in the sand. I'm at a stage in life where quality means more than quantity. And I'm through with compromise. If I don't stand for something now, it could be too late tomorrow.
Vote your conscience, I'll vote (or not vote) mine. And mine will be without remorse the day after.
You’re right, globalism is the main threat now. Everything is converging into an easily-controlled nexus, into the hands of a few. Religion, economies, the politics and legislation of nations, everything. All the threads are being woven into one strand.
“Are you going to keep on supporting liberals with an (R) next to their name in the future? If so, then the answer is yes, you can’t call yourself a Conservative if you fail to be a Conservative on the one day it counts the most.”
Well, I’m a Conservative because I know in my heart I’m a Conservative, not because I fit into some arbitrary mold you have shaped. And despite your attempts to define what such actions may or may not mean, I would never make a “statement” by acting in a way that would get the likes of Barack Obama re-elected.
I would suggest that keeping Obama from being re-elected is Job One, and I would be making just as valid a point as you if I questioned the true conservatism of ANYBODY that enabled Obama’s re-election just to prove a point.
Will I work to get the most conservative candidate nominated - absolutely.
But if our broken primary system is not fixed, and we wind up with what you consider to be a RINO, I will vote for the “holding action” Republican rather than stay home and let Obama complete the destruction of our nation.
Work your ass off to fix the primary process and get Conservatives nominated, and try not to spend so much time being the “true Conservative” police.
THANKS TONS.
I love meeting other FREEPERS WHO ARE AWAKE.
sigh.
Worth repeating:
It is totalitarianism, not conservatism which is associated with purges and “a one way ticket elsewhere”.
We're clearly talking past each other because in my mind I responded as honestly and directly as I could. I meant every word. Perhaps my perspective is not one you are familiar with.
I will not vote for a Republican simply because they are a Republican. I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative. I would have voted for Doug Hoffman, for example. It is easy for me to speak of specific races.
I honestly don't respond to hypotheticals - just as many, many people don't - because it is usually not useful to do so in my experience. THAT'S my answer!
Anyway, I'm glad that we can both sleep at night, each with a clear conscience, FRiend.
Yes, I have to ask.
What the current definition is.
It changes over time.
By today’s Christ like standards, Reagan is a RINO.
Haven't there been enough purges on this site?
When Code Pink attends a Senate or House hearing, then acts up, starts a ruckus and distracts the proceedings, is it "totalitarianism" to eject them from the venue?
The FR venue is for conservatives to talk to conservatives. If others act up and cause a ruckus it is my (and more importantly, JimRob's) opinion that the ruckus-causers have overstepped their bounds and need to be ushered out. Forcibly if necessary.
What is your solution? Should we just allow the FRiberals to stay?
You consider RINOs a bigger threat than Dimocrats and I think you're nuts!!!
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