Posted on 11/21/2009 9:43:50 AM PST by kristinn
C-SPAN 2 is carrying the Senate floor debate live this afternoon.
The Democrats control the floor right now. Earlier, Republican Senators Judd Gregg, Kit Bond, Jeff Sessions and David Vitter gave good speeches and dialogues on the budget-busting effects of ObamaCare.
Maria Cantwell is speaking now. Mary Landrieu is excpected to speak shortly.
The cloture vote is scheduled for 8 p.m. EST tonight.
(not sure how that double-post happened...sorry y’all.)
Likely "rich" means anyone left working.
People are too stupid to cancel their TV service with cable and sat TV where Hollywood, the DNC and liberals get most of their power.
The serfs would rather watch University of Rapists Tech and their sports teams play ball or reality TV shows or Oprah. The cable and sat TV companies divide your cable or sat TV bill up into fractions so CNN gets at least $1.00 a month from you.
TV lib newsmedia helps keep the Dems in power. We are killing their newspapers. Let’s finish the job.
The cable company begged me not to cancel and send me all sorts of freebie offers to get me back. Keep watching TV because if people do then they deserve serfdom.
Dear Sen Amy Klobuchar...6 6 6 TAKE YOUR NUMBERS, and leave my health care alone.
Check your facts. Landrieu is not up until 2014. If she were up next year, she would have voted NO due to federal funding of abortion in the Reid bill. She is now in a world of hurt with the Catholic Church in Louisiana, but is giving the Church and her constituents the finger instead, knowing full well it will be forgotten in 5 years.
Reid will not use reconciliation. He has a long way, likely an impossible row to hoe to get another 60 votes to shut off debate down the road.
To add to your comments, being poor is not only a relative term, it can also be a temporary state. We’ve all had our “poor” times. My parents were so poor after they got married during the Korean War that Dad sneaked food home from the mess hall to feed my mom, who was experiencing a high-risk pregnancy. Over the next decades, their subsistence-level life gradually evolved into upper middle class economic status. Throughout that transition, they were the first to help those in need. Like me, I bet most people have cyclical, fluctuating economic circumstances. The person flying high one day is shot down the next—and vice-versa. The ability to improve one’s personal and economic circumstances, with limited government intervention, is what has made this country great.
No. It takes 60 votes to end the Republican filibuster. That vote takes place at some point after tonight’s vote to begin debate. The filibuster must be stopped by 60 votes before the vote of 51 to pass the bill.
I had to mute the tv...
A national emergency requiring the elections be "postponed". Or just plain old in your face fake elections.
* I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how. Stalin
o In Russian: Я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это - кто и как будет считать голоса.
o Said in 1923, as quoted in The Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary (1992) by Boris Bazhanov [Saint Petersburg] (Борис Бажанов. Воспоминания бывшего секретаря Сталина). (Text online in Russian).
o Variant (loose) translation: The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
If a tree falls down and no one is there, does it make a sound? If evil, crime-laden, unconstitutional law is enacted and no one abides by it, will it still stand? I fantasize about half the country simply refusing to recognize it, but of course I’m dreaming.
So, it will be taken out, and put back in conference. No sweat.
Sure, its here:
http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/
It focuses on sanctity of human life, traditional marriage, and liberty of conscience as the three critical areas where government intrusions must be resisted even if bad law says otherwise, hence civil disobedience. The Healthcare bill intervenes on all those domains.
First, we all know one of the big things that will come out of Reid’s bill is the permanent enculturation of abortion, with everyone having a right to it and everybody sharing in the cost of killing babies. Over time, we’ll just get used to it. Right. Not to mention the general cheapening of human life as a mere commodity, people living or dying at the whim of the state, as determined by their usefulness index. Rendering permanent the devaluation of human life isn’t just a bad political turn; it is a decent into Hell, and all thinking people should resist going there.
Second, the privacy, sanctity, and procreative role of family are all subjected to the “superior wisdom” of statist nannies who will come to your home and tell you how to raise your babies, what to feed them, what to teach them, what to tell them to believe. Yes. that’s in there. If we roll over for all that, we will devolve to Netherlands 2.0, a sexual “utopia” where the whole notion of family is fading from view. We can’t, we won’t go there.
Third, it is the highest arrogance and the lowest form of slavery for the state to tell people of conscience that they must perform acts they find morally abhorrent, such as aiding in the dissection of unborn babies, or the manufacture and sale of human embryonic products. If the government can tell you that your conscience is subservient to their authority, they have made themselves out to be God. But the mantle of such authority does not suit them, and we can never let them rest easy in their delusional self deification.
The end result? There are moments when you have to put it all on the line. The Manhattan Declaration sets it out, and declares a threshold beyond which we will not be pushed, no matter how much paper Washington generates. The last two paragraphs set the tone for the coming confrontation:
“…Through the centuries, Christianity has taught that civil disobedience is not only permitted, but sometimes required. There is no more eloquent defense of the rights and duties of religious conscience than the one offered by Martin Luther King, Jr., in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail. Writing from an explicitly Christian perspective, and citing Christian writers such as Augustine and Aquinas, King taught that just laws elevate and ennoble human beings because they are rooted in the moral law whose ultimate source is God Himself. Unjust laws degrade human beings. Inasmuch as they can claim no authority beyond sheer human will, they lack any power to bind in conscience. King’s willingness to go to jail, rather than comply with legal injustice, was exemplary and inspiring.
“Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s.”
Amen.
And yes, I signed. Electronically, of course.
The Democrats!
No, small point but it’s a vote to Proceed, thereby PREVENTING a fillibuster, not ending a fillibuster.
And yes I said 50 votes on the floor to pass the bill, I meant 51.
Who among these are ‘vulnerable’?
Democrat Senators up for election in 2010:
AR - Blanche Lincoln
CA - Barbara Boxer
CO - Michael Bennet
CT - Chris Dodd
DE - Ted Kaufman (retiring)
HI - Daniel Inouye
IL - Roland Burris (retiring)
IN - Evan Bayh
MD - Barbara Mikulski
MA - (Ted Kennedy’s old seat)
NV - Harry Reid
NY - Chuck Schumer
NY - Kirsten Gillibrand
ND - Byron Dorgan
OR - Ron Wyden
PA - Arlen Specter
VT - Patrick Leahy
WA - Patty Murray
WI - Russ Feingold
The leftists are underestimating the conservative base (mainstream America) here if they pass this. No friggin way are we going to put up with this commie crap. We’re not poor, unarmed and cowering Cubans. We outnumber them and we tell THEM what to do, not vice versa (a misunderstanding on their part that we need to correct ASAP).
Even considering that they have the billions in stimulus dollars of OUR MONEY that they have NOT spent yet, we can and will group slap them into awareness to get their attention. It just takes enough of us to do it.
Exactly!!
My son was laughing the other day when we saw a commercial saying “[X number of] children are facing hunger every day in America.” He said that sure, he faced hunger several times a day himself!!
They’ve already instituted the marriage penalty.
Single person earning $200,000 will be taxed at higher rate. Couple earning $250,000 gets the whammy too.
True. And I think we need to start a fund to challenge this crap Constitutionally before they own the court too. We’d need good lawyers that can’t be bought off, that in itself is a challenge I guess.
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