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Do Sex Tapes Matter? (Meghan McCain uses Prejean to attack GOP over gay marriage) (barf!)
The Daily Beast ^ | 2009-11-16

Posted on 11/15/2009 9:12:56 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Is it worse for a Republican to have been caught naked on camera or to support gay marriage? Meghan McCain weighs the hypocrisy of the Carrie Prejean scandal.

BY MEGHAN MCCAIN

If you’re a Republican, is it better to be in favor of gay marriage or to make a sex tape? That is the question. At least that’s the question that comes to mind after the reaction to the news that anti-gay marriage champion Carrie Prejean made a sex tape. After watching several of Prejean’s media appearances this week, it was not her incredibly uncomfortable threat to walk out on Larry King that had me most unnerved; it was actually her appearance on Sean Hannity's show. This was Prejean’s first stop on her book publicity tour, and when the sex tape came up, he proceeded to ask her if she was "in love with her boyfriend at the time that she made [it]." I’m sorry, why would being in love matter when it comes to filming yourself in a sexual context?

Frankly, I am sick of all the hypocrisy when it comes to sex and politics in this country—and that goes for all politicians, not just Republicans. Carrie Prejean claims making that tape was “the biggest mistake” of her life—it’s the same one that many other girls have made—but it has since come out that she may have made seven other sex tapes and posed for 30 nude photos.

So I want to send this message to my little sister and other women reading this right now: Making a sex tape is never acceptable. I don't care how in love you are with your boyfriend. Jennifer Lopez made a tape with her then-husband on their honeymoon and she is currently in a lawsuit to prevent it from being released. I am of the mind-set that you should never record anything in private that you wouldn't mind the whole world to see. Because somehow, some day, those images will find their way to the public.

I know I’ve learned my lesson after posting a now-notorious photograph of myself on Twitter—and I had all of my clothes on. So this is not a good message for Sean Hannity to send, that if you were in love with your boyfriend it is OK. These tapes and photographs can ruin your career and your credibility, but it’s the laissez faire attitude toward them that I find so upsetting.

I find it even more disturbing that as long as you oppose gay marriage, filming yourself having sex is taken more lightly. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this kind of thinking? And hypocrisy is something the Republican Party can’t afford to have right now as the GOP struggles to find its identity. As I said, we all make mistakes and I don't want to be too harsh on Carrie Prejean. She is only 22, after all, and a former Miss California USA, not a politician. And lest we forget, she feels the same way about gay marriage that our own president does.

The problem I have with my fellow Republicans is why gay marriage is the trump card in any situation. It seems that as long as you are against gay marriage, any scandal in your life can be overlooked or overcome. When you are in favor of it, however—and I have been very vocal about my support—that position defines you.

Sometimes I wonder if I were against marriage equality, whether it would make it easier for some Republicans to accept my place within this party. I have to constantly remind people of my pro-life, pro-small government stance because the only view that seems to matter is the fact that I believe my gay friends should have the same right to one of our founding ideals—that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights. I think if Republicans truly believe in keeping government out of our lives—that should include not dictating who one can marry.

Many believe that it was Carrie Prejean’s anti-gay marriage views that cost her the Miss USA pageant earlier this year. My question is: When it comes to Republicans, is your position on gay marriage what determines your fate within the party?

Meghan McCain is a columnist for The Daily Beast. Originally from Phoenix, she graduated from Columbia University in 2007. She is a New York Times bestselling children's author, previously wrote for Newsweek magazine, and created the Web site mccainblogette.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carrieprejean; fatchick; gaymarriage; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; marriage; mccainmutiny; mccaintruthfile; mclamesrevenge; meghanmccain; nomanwilllayher; perverts; prejean; rino; rinoette; sextapes; tilatequilaslover
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To: B Knotts; UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
In other words, the fact that one fails to live ones beliefs does not invalidate the truth of those beliefs.

No, it doesn't.

41 posted on 11/15/2009 9:54:32 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: FrankR
I mean sex is something men and women do...

So you would be okay, at least to the extent of not prosecuting, i.e. legalizing, any 17-year-old engaging and exhibiting even if she wasn't against gay marriage?
42 posted on 11/15/2009 9:58:17 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: B Knotts

Her failing to live her beliefs would be underaged premarital sex....(me guilty too..long ago)..if we are to belive she did that...which it seems likely

sending a nudie pic or vid is not unChristian to me between a man and wife

some folks here act like it would be

this idea that one must be perfect to criticize homosexuality and the marriage thing is nonsensical

that sort of logic is what has paved the way for the dismantling of most of very old traditions

that this sort of thinking has adherents on a conservative forum is amusing and troubling


43 posted on 11/15/2009 9:59:32 PM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey Meghan, please just go join the douche-bag party where you will be welcomed and feel comfortable. You’re an embarrassment to yourself just like your Dad.


44 posted on 11/15/2009 10:00:48 PM PST by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: rabscuttle385
The problem I have with my fellow Republicans is why gay marriage is the trump card in any situation. It seems that as long as you are against gay marriage, any scandal in your life can be overlooked or overcome. When you are in favor of it, however—and I have been very vocal about my support—that position defines you.

it escapes her emotive ideal logic that we are first and foremost against her views and most of those of her dad...her wacky behavior is simply validation..

45 posted on 11/15/2009 10:01:24 PM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Could care less about her pictures or tapes. She had a right to speak her mind.

Not guilty.

46 posted on 11/15/2009 10:03:25 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: The Comedian

I was thinking crack.


47 posted on 11/15/2009 10:03:57 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: The Comedian

Good one!

Bada-bing!


48 posted on 11/15/2009 10:05:06 PM PST by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: B Knotts; rabscuttle385
In other words, the fact that one fails to live ones beliefs does not invalidate the truth of those beliefs.

That is not the issue because she did not express an opinion on underage sex tapes one way or the other. The argument of hypocrisy depends on a fact not in evidence: that the assumptions underlying her position on the legality of gay marriage necessarily affect her position on the legality (not merely morality) of making underage sex tapes. I do not believe one has anything to do with the other.
49 posted on 11/15/2009 10:07:11 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"So you would be okay, at least to the extent of not prosecuting, i.e. legalizing, any 17-year-old engaging and exhibiting even if she wasn't against gay marriage? "

Well, it's turned into a witch hunt by mccain and the gay lobby, so that's really what it's all about at this point.

I think she's 21 or 22 now, and if she was 17 then the statute of limitations might have even expired, I don't know. (NOW REMEMBER I SAID "I DON'T KNOW" BEFORE YOU LAUNCH INTO MY IGNORANCE OF THE STATUTES).

It would be very hard to find too many 17 year olds in the past 20 years who had NOT had sex.

So to answer your question, YES, I would be okay with it so long as it was consensual and no children resulted from the union.
50 posted on 11/15/2009 10:08:32 PM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: rabscuttle385

She’s not hot enough to get away with being this stupid.


51 posted on 11/15/2009 10:08:37 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Godspeed, T, on your fourth tour of duty in Iraq.)
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To: FrankR

Congratulations, you are consistent.

Should anyone be prosecuted if she had been 16?...


52 posted on 11/15/2009 10:12:15 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Let's please be honest about Carrie Prejean...she had a choice to be a beauty queen or a spokesperson for Conservatism. She chose the latter. And please don't try to tell me that she was kicked out. She was kicked out after they had given her another chance. I am convinced Trump would have stood by her if she would have ABIDED BY THEIR RULES...but she wouldn't. And that's just the truth, as hard as it is to hear.

So now, if you choose to be a spokesperson for conservatism AND relious values, you better either address the skeletons in your closet or be prepared to get the kinds of hits she's getting. What changed my mind about her is her hunger for lawsuits. Personally, I don't like her anymore. Did in the begining..thought she was gutsy. But now she's just another opportunist. Glad she said what she said, but I wish she'd get out of the spotlight and do something with her life.

53 posted on 11/15/2009 10:14:32 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Republican Wildcat
Better to be against gay marriage or make a sex tape? What a stupid question...makes no sense.

Normally it is a stupid question, except when it concerns Prejean. The question being asked is "if you are anti gay marriage in a public way and you make a sex tape, will the conservative right wing of the republican party support you"

In the case of Prejean, the answer is yes.

Meghan does miss the more important point which is "if you are anti gay marriage in a public way, will the leftist media go on a dirt digging witch hunt on you, the answer is yes, and if you are pro gay marriage in a public way, will the leftist media cover up numerous indiscresions for you (Ted Kennedy, Sharon Tate's husband, Barney Frank, etc.) the answer is also yes.

Bottom line: Meghan addresses the small hypocrisy of the right wing while ignoring the huge and glaring hypocrisy of the left wing. (but yes, regarding Prejean, the right wing does have a consistency problem)

54 posted on 11/15/2009 10:26:38 PM PST by staytrue
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"Should anyone be prosecuted if she had been 16?... "

What? Are we working our way down to 12 or something?

I didn't realize this was going to be a pop quiz...

The answer is: If the boy was an adult (over 18), probably...But I'm sure that happens all the time too...teen pregnancy is a national problem.

END OF TEST
55 posted on 11/15/2009 10:51:10 PM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: FrankR

Being entirely consistent is hard.


56 posted on 11/15/2009 11:01:56 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"Being entirely consistent is hard.

I think that would equate to being perfect, and only one man was ever perfect...about 2000 years ago...
57 posted on 11/15/2009 11:06:59 PM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: FrankR

I didn’t think I’d lose you at 16 though :-)


58 posted on 11/15/2009 11:12:25 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: FrankR

The guy was 25 BTW.


59 posted on 11/15/2009 11:14:56 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: B Knotts
Person 1 makes claim X There is something objectionable about Person 1 Therefore claim X is false

Exactly. There's no sense of logic in this article. But, this is what people do to bring down other people: They dig up dirt and throw it at them.

60 posted on 11/15/2009 11:44:46 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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